FBI plots to kidnap Gretchen Whitmer

vraiblonde

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I know there's a thread on this but I'm less interested in Wretched being in danger than I am about the FBI engaging in WTAF?? shenanigans.


It is also credibly alleged that they instigated the Capitol incident.

Who are these freaking psychos and why are they a thing?

I am reminded of the Gary Webb book "Dark Alliances" where he brought the receipts to show that the CIA masterminded the drug trade explosion in LA in the 90s. Both the CIA and the FBI operate with little to no oversight, and I fully believe they're a bunch of psychopaths actively working to destroy our country.
 

SamSpade

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Are these stunts, or are they botched "sting" operations designed to make groups of people look bad?

There's virtually ZERO reason for them to do this in EARNEST - they intended something else. Kidnappers usually have a profit motive.

It's beginning to look like, they had a desire to nab people that hadn't committed a crime, and tried to find ways to hook them into one.
You know, kind of like an undercover cop in a hot rod at a traffic light, revving his engine and daring you to race - just so he can give you a ticket.
 

vraiblonde

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Are these stunts, or are they botched "sting" operations designed to make groups of people look bad?

There's virtually ZERO reason for them to do this in EARNEST - they intended something else. Kidnappers usually have a profit motive.

It's beginning to look like, they had a desire to nab people that hadn't committed a crime, and tried to find ways to hook them into one.
You know, kind of like an undercover cop in a hot rod at a traffic light, revving his engine and daring you to race - just so he can give you a ticket.

Clearly there was a motive other than to kidnap Wretch or have a riot at the Capitol. But what? Entrapping random citizens for kicks doesn't seem plausible..

My first guess would be to tar "Trump supporters" and get the public on board with throwing us all in the gulag, but both plots seem simplistic and way too complicated at the same time. Although Hitler made it work in the 1930s, proving that humans are vicious and retarded when grouped with their peers and provided with a catalyst.
 

SamSpade

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Clearly there was a motive other than to kidnap Wretch or have a riot at the Capitol. But what? Entrapping random citizens for kicks doesn't seem plausible..

My first guess would be to tar "Trump supporters" and get the public on board with throwing us all in the gulag, but both plots seem simplistic and way too complicated at the same time. Although Hitler made it work in the 1930s, proving that humans are vicious and retarded when grouped with their peers and provided with a catalyst.

I think it was you who reminded us all of this quote from "Men In Black"

A person is smart. People are dumb, panicky dangerous animals and you know it.

Give people a scapegoat for their troubles, and they won't waste any time piling on. It was pretty easy to get Germans to blame Jews - they already hated them, and the disastrous years after WW1 and the Great Depression were made worse by thousands of Jews fleeing the revolution in Russia and living in Germany and the surrounding nations.

Christians in Rome, witches in the Dark Ages, Jews in the Medieval times up to the present. This plague is because of witches, this famine is because of godless heathen, this economic misery is those Jewish bankers. PEOPLE are dumb enough to point their rage at a CULPRIT.

Right now, the race-baiters are flailing about trying to find one and using race as the gun - but it's not gaining too much traction. How do you tell a mixed race family that Mom is the oppressor, Dad is the oppressed, and the kids have no idea what THEY are?

Making whitey the problem will have no lasting effect - but point it at some barely existing "white supremacists" - seemingly EVERYWHERE on TV shows but invisible to the rest of us - that will work.

Worked with the "Red Scare", didn't it?
 

Hijinx

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I am certain that all suspicions of the FBI and Nancy Pelosi having previous warnings about the planned ANTIFA instigation of Patriotic Americans to encourage them to enter the Capitol will be allayed after the non-biased and bi-party investigation of which Republican Liz Chaney is a part. If you cannot trust Liz Chaney who can you trust? After all she is 3rd, Highest Republican party member in the House.
Republicans voted her there and voted to keep her there.
 
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GURPS

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Are these stunts, or are they botched "sting" operations designed to make groups of people look bad?



I posted this in the Whitmer Kidnap Thread

The Whitmer Kidnapping Case Reveals The FBI’s New Counterterrorism Target Is You

Terrorism, as it turns out, is hard. Recruiting isn’t easy, and finding the right people is difficult. A person who is willing to train, travel, keep secrets, and face a very high chance of dying is not statically all that common.

Getting access to explosives, and knowing how to use them, is technically complicated. You can practice, but if you make a mistake, you’ll blow yourself up. Oh, there’s bomb-making manuals on the internet? Sure, there are. Feel free to try those out. I dare you.

Shooting isn’t all that easy either, and training someone to gun fight—really, seriously gun fight—takes expertise, and time, and a place where you can shoot for hundreds of hours without anyone noticing. Do you know where you could do something like that? Who would teach you how to shoot like that, or fight with knives, or drive a car so you could get away? How would you find that person? How would you vet him to make sure he’s not FBI?

You wouldn’t. Unless you’re a mercenary, you’ve trained with a militia in Africa or Asia, or you’re a SWAT officer or an elite soldier, you wouldn’t know those things, and you wouldn’t know people who know those things. Frankly, most of the people who know those things are dedicated patriots. They’re the good people, and the bad guys won’t share that information easily. They’re secretive and expensive.

So the FBI does the heavy lifting in these cases. The suspects start out by talking about jihad or revolution or overthrowing the government, and someone in their chat group decides he should tell the FBI.

The people the FBI sends in to look at the chats or communicate with the suspects aren’t just a fly on the wall. They offer to help. They offer bombs. They offer direction. They suggest targets.

They tell the suspects they need money for the cause. They ask them when they can fly to Syria or Iraq or wherever.

The Intercept did some marvelous reporting on this in 2017. They noted, quite correctly, that in hundreds and hundreds of cases the FBI and Department of Justice had brought to trial there were no victims of violence, and the FBI informants were the primary driving characters in the fictional worlds the suspects had been caught up in.

In case after case, it’s the FBI that creates the illusion of the ability to do harm. There are no bombs, no ability to launch an attack. There is no group ready to meet and support them, no weapons smugglers, or expert marksmen. There is only the anger of a lonely person screaming into the void of the internet, and the only one who answers that screaming is the FBI.
 

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BOP

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I know there's a thread on this but I'm less interested in Wretched being in danger than I am about the FBI engaging in WTAF?? shenanigans.


It is also credibly alleged that they instigated the Capitol incident.

Who are these freaking psychos and why are they a thing?

I am reminded of the Gary Webb book "Dark Alliances" where he brought the receipts to show that the CIA masterminded the drug trade explosion in LA in the 90s. Both the CIA and the FBI operate with little to no oversight, and I fully believe they're a bunch of psychopaths actively working to destroy our country.
The alphabet agencies were behind much of the "student unrest" in the '60s, but who really knows how far back they've been instigating and fomenting.
 

PeoplesElbow

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The alphabet agencies were behind much of the "student unrest" in the '60s, but who really knows how far back they've been instigating and fomenting.
Was going to say this is how it happened to civil rights activists in the 60s.
 
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SamSpade

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Saw this, today.


So, the FBI didn't just provoke this - they kind of look like they did the whole damned thing, with most of the players BEING FBI.
Even WITH some of the guys they wanted to entrap pulling out.

This is like cops pulling a bank heist so they can nail the getaway driver or the lookout. THEY did all the heavy lifting.
 

GURPS

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Bizarre arrest of FBI agent spotlights accusations of bureau corruption


The June 2020 plot by the Wolverine Watchmen — which authorities claim included the possible use of a stun gun on Whitmer and talk of blowing up a bridge to prevent cops from giving chase — never came to pass, broken up by the Federal Bureau of Investigation in a celebrated bust in which 14 people have been arrested so far.

But as it was revealed that the FBI had at least a dozen informants heavily involved in the Watchmen — including that Iraq veteran — critics say the G-Men did as much to prod the plot as they did to prevent it from happening in the first place.

The agents took an active part in the scheme from its inception, according to court filings, evidence and dozens of interviews examined by BuzzFeed. Some members of the Wolverine Watchmen are accusing the feds of entrapment.




Does any of this remind you of 1984 .....



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GURPS

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Whitmer Kidnapping Plot: FBI Informant Slept ‘In The Same Room,’ Smoked Weed With Defendant


Prosecutors have said that the defendants were part of a dangerous and radical group that took concrete steps to carry out kidnapping and potentially killing the governor. Those steps included several training camps and two trips to survey the governor’s vacation cottage.

Like the first trial, a key part of Fox and Croft’s legal defense is the behavior of the FBI’s confidential human sources. In testimony on Friday, defense attorneys focused on the relationships that two informants, Jenny Plunk and Steve Robeson, had with the defendants. Both informants smoked marijuana, a federal crime, with Croft. At one point, Plunk also shared a hotel room with the defendant, according to Yahoo News.

“Does the FBI have a policy about opposite-gender sources sleeping in the same room?” Croft attorney Joshua Blanchard asked FBI Special Agent Christopher Long. Croft then asked if Long had ever been a part of a case in which an informant was sleeping in the same room as someone under investigation. Long replied that he had not.

Long also faced questions over a text he sent to Plunk during the investigation when a group of militia members wanted to distance themselves from Croft. Long pushed Plunk to keep the group together: “You just have to find common ground … Show them the good ideas Croft brought, and show them what’s workable and not. A compromise may be needed on both sides,” he said according to FOX 17.

Robeson’s conflicts during the investigation ran so deep that he was later accused by the federal government of being a “double agent” for the alleged conspirators.
 

GURPS

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Three Men Found Not Guilty In Whitmer Kidnapping Plot







In early October 2020, the FBI announced they had arrested 13 men suspected of orchestrating a plot to kidnap Whitmer and overthrow the state government. Roughly half of the group belonged to an organization called the Wolverine Watchmen. Six men were charged in federal court; the other seven were charged with state crimes. The six men charged in federal court were Adam Fox, Ty Garbin, Barry Croft Jr., Kaleb Franks, Daniel Harris and Brandon Caserta. The seven men charged with state crimes were Pete Musico, Joseph Morrison, Shawn Fix, Eric Molitor, Michael Null, William Null, and Paul Bellar.

Eric Molitor, Bill Null and Michael Null were found not guilty by the jury on Friday.

Barry Croft, Jr. was sentenced to 19 years and seven months in prison; Adam Fox was sentenced to 16 years in prison; Joseph Morrison was sentenced to 10 to 20 years in prison; Paul Bellar was sentenced to 7 to 20 years; Pete Musico was sentenced to 6 years and 3 months, later reduced to 2 years and 6 months; Ty Garbin was sentenced to 6 years and 3 months, later reduced to 2 years and 6 months; and Kaleb Franks was sentenced to 4 years in prison.
 
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