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[UNA]

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IS says women are wrathful, I was wondering what gave him that impression.

Oh, I thought you were asking me.

Oh! Sorry

 

[ItalianScallion]

So where did you get the ideas you have about women? Seriously, not trying to start anything; genuinely curious! IS says women are wrathful, I was wondering what gave him that impression.

Actually most of the women I've dated have been really good people. We've just never BOTH clicked enough for us to end up going down the aisle. I've been out with a bunch of them and I've learned a lot...

The reason I said that was because a lot of my buddies wives or girlfriends have had a definite "attitude" about them. Some of the ladies I chat with during the week seem to have an "edge" at times. I listen to a lot of ladies telling me about their "week" and what they say about their boyfirends or hubbys isn't always nice! (And no, I don't get my perception from TV, since I rarely watch it).

I was telling one of my lady friends last night at dinner, that it is a "circular" problem: It seems that women nag because men are lazy and men are lazy because women nag. Truthfully UNA; I love women. Although I'm no longer the "player" that I used to be, I still love meeting and getting to know them just as friends...

 

[hvp05]

I listen to a lot of ladies telling me about their "week" and what they say about their boyfirends or hubbys isn't always nice!

This seriously made me .

Although I'm no longer the "player" that I used to be...

 

[Bird Dog]

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So where did you get the ideas you have about women? Seriously, not trying to start anything; genuinely curious!

It must been the nuns when he went to Catholic School.

Hmmmmm, dislikes women, hates the Catholic Church.

 

[PsyOps]

The reason I said that was because a lot of my buddies wives or girlfriends have had a definite "attitude" about them. Some of the ladies I chat with during the week seem to have an "edge" at times. I listen to a lot of ladies telling me about their "week" and what they say about their boyfirends or hubbys isn't always nice!

Don't take this personally but have you ever considered it's YOU?








okay you can take that personally

 

[Aerogal]

Seriously? The bible has a lot of good in it - and a lot of male dominant BS too. It was written by men for men. Why wouldn't Paul say only men could preach. He was a man who was a person of his time and society. The Magdalene was the most beloved, Mary was Jesus' first desciple. Paul was jealous.
And why wouldn't the tribal leaders of early Judaism subjugate women - they were considered chattle (owned) regardless of all the 'Love your wife...' type admonishment in the old and new Testaments.
Also - all those nice Popes come from a long line of ROMAN descendants saying women can't preach the gospel because Paul said so and it fit nicely with their societal/political beliefs. You remember about Rome right? Male dominated society, patriarchal, penile worshipping and all that.

Italian Stalion - I'm not going to argue with you, you have your beliefs and faith in the bible (all of it) -just understand where I (and a lot of women) get the feeling of being excluded from God and religion by men.

 

[UNA]

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So where did you get the ideas you have about women? Seriously, not trying to start anything; genuinely curious! IS says women are wrathful, I was wondering what gave him that impression.

Actually most of the women I've dated have been really good people. We've just never BOTH clicked enough for us to end up going down the aisle. I've been out with a bunch of them and I've learned a lot...

The reason I said that was because a lot of my buddies wives or girlfriends have had a definite "attitude" about them. Some of the ladies I chat with during the week seem to have an "edge" at times. I listen to a lot of ladies telling me about their "week" and what they say about their boyfirends or hubbys isn't always nice! (And no, I don't get my perception from TV, since I rarely watch it).

I was telling one of my lady friends last night at dinner, that it is a "circular" problem: It seems that women nag because men are lazy and men are lazy because women nag. Truthfully UNA; I love women. Although I'm no longer the "player" that I used to be, I still love meeting and getting to know them just as friends...

So you're assuming that all women are like this? You also have to keep in mind that wome you talk to at work are acting differently that they normally might, everyone is different at work (if that's where you are talking to some of these 'on edge' women, IDK). Women - and men - that complain about their spouses chose wrong or are not treating kindly. It's really very simple do these two things and you'll have a fine relationship; not perfect all the time but you'll be happy. No need to broad brush all women (or any one for that matter)!

 

[UNA]

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Seriously? The bible has a lot of good in it - and a lot of male dominant BS too. It was written by men for men. Why wouldn't Paul say only men could preach. He was a man who was a person of his time and society. The Magdalene was the most beloved, Mary was Jesus' first desciple. Paul was jealous.
And why wouldn't the tribal leaders of early Judaism subjugate women - they were considered chattle (owned) regardless of all the 'Love your wife...' type admonishment in the old and new Testaments.
Also - all those nice Popes come from a long line of ROMAN descendants saying women can't preach the gospel because Paul said so and it fit nicely with their societal/political beliefs. You remember about Rome right? Male dominated society, patriarchal, penile worshipping and all that.

Italian Stalion - I'm not going to argue with you, you have your beliefs and faith in the bible (all of it) -just understand where I (and a lot of women) get the feeling of being excluded from God and religion by men.

:like:

The bible was written at a time when male dominance was an accepted fact of life. It's not now and cultures need to adjust! If women were truly inferior then we wouldn't be capable of creating our own opinions about this!

 

[PsyOps]

Seriously? The bible has a lot of good in it - and a lot of male dominant BS too. It was written by men for men. Why wouldn't Paul say only men could preach. He was a man who was a person of his time and society. The Magdalene was the most beloved, Mary was Jesus' first desciple. Paul was jealous.
And why wouldn't the tribal leaders of early Judaism subjugate women - they were considered chattle (owned) regardless of all the 'Love your wife...' type admonishment in the old and new Testaments.
Also - all those nice Popes come from a long line of ROMAN descendants saying women can't preach the gospel because Paul said so and it fit nicely with their societal/political beliefs. You remember about Rome right? Male dominated society, patriarchal, penile worshipping and all that.

Italian Stalion - I'm not going to argue with you, you have your beliefs and faith in the bible (all of it) -just understand where I (and a lot of women) get the feeling of being excluded from God and religion by men.

I think you're a little off in your assessment about Mary and Paul but this gets to the crux of why I posted this thread. This is not a male dominance things; it’s a cultural thing. It’s not my intent to vilify those that hold a stringent interpretation of the bible, but God gave man the ability to ‘evolve’ as a civilized society; where we learn how to recognize things that may have had their purpose in the distant past don’t today. Old Testament days held that only the Hebrews/Jews were God’s people. Then the New Testament came along and extended salvation to ALL people. This country, in its pursuit for religious freedom, apportioned Africans as 3/5th a person. It took almost 100 years for our enlightened society to fix this huge miscarriage of justice, nearly 200 years to recognize their civil rights. Throughout the New Testament Jesus referenced slavery as if an acceptable thing; something that was part of the culture of those days. Today slavery is taboo and forbidden virtually all over the world. So, because Jesus appeared to condone slavery should we still have slaves? Women were considered subservient to men in the days of Jesus. They were not part of the workforce, didn’t vote, held no positions of authority anywhere, and were held to a different standard of ethics and morals than men. This is not the case today. Women have rights, hold positions of leadership, are active members in our political system, etc… We accept those changes yet some don’t accept that times also change in our faith.

Times do change. Forbidding women from being leaders or integral parts of the church in those days was part of their culture just as slavery was. I’m not convinced it was the intent for women to be forbidden leadership positions within the church. Why were women held to less authority and rights in every aspect back in the days of Jesus, yet today we accept certain advances in women’s authority and rights today but not others? I don’t think women are less capable of preaching the word of God. I always ask the same question as with any of these discussions: Do you believe if this is some violation of biblical teachings these women – and the people that attend their churches – aren’t saved? If not, then what’s lost in our churches?

 

[ItalianScallion]

This seriously made me .

Why? I'm a very friendly guy who is a good listener...

It must been the nuns when he went to Catholic School. Hmmmmm, dislikes women, hates the Catholic Church.

You're really stuck in that deluded mindset aren't you buddy?

Don't take this personally but have you ever considered it's YOU?

So it's MY fault that they tell me about their boyfriends/hubbys??

 

[ItalianScallion]

Italian Stalion - I'm not going to argue with you, you have your beliefs and faith in the bible (all of it) -just understand where I (and a lot of women) get the feeling of being excluded from God and religion by men.

No one is excluding you Aerogal. You're perspective has brought this on yourself. That's like me saying, since men cannot carry babies, we feel left out...You have your role and we have ours, that's all. There are many things BOTH genders can do. What I'm speaking about are their roles in the church, not in life or business.

So you're assuming that all women are like this? You also have to keep in mind that wome you talk to at work are acting differently that they normally might, everyone is different at work (if that's where you are talking to some of these 'on edge' women, IDK). Women - and men - that complain about their spouses chose wrong or are not treating kindly. It's really very simple do these two things and you'll have a fine relationship; not perfect all the time but you'll be happy. No need to broad brush all women (or any one for that matter)!

I never said ALL women are like this UNA. Most of these ladies have known me for a while now, they feel comfortable around me and they trust me with some of their personal business. I always ask how they are and sometimes they expound a bit... Face it folks; women like guys that LISTEN to them...

 

[ItalianScallion]

The bible was written at a time when male dominance was an accepted fact of life. It's not now and cultures need to adjust! If women were truly inferior then we wouldn't be capable of creating our own opinions about this!

No adjustment is needed actually. God doesn't need "adjusting". Some of what was spoken of in the "old days" was specific to those days. Paul said that the women need to be silent in the churches because they really were mostly to their hubbys (And women say that men don't listen)...

Other writings are not time specific though. They applied back then and they apply today. Like not allowing female Pastors. It's very clear and, although many are doing it today, it is not something that should be looked on as ok. Staying in a congregation where a woman is the "Pastor" is condoning it IMO...

 

[hvp05]

Why? I'm a very friendly guy who is a good listener...

That was not the image I had when I read, "I listen to a lot of ladies telling me about their 'week'..." You came across as being generally disinterested. Then you said that they say non-nice things about their significant others as if only women do that. Women did not come up with the term "old ball 'n' chain".

 

[PsyOps]

So it's MY fault that they tell me about their boyfriends/hubbys??

I would say that if this is happening to you routinely, you are looking in the wrong places. :shrug:

Besides, at least they told you.................eventually.

 

[UNA]

I never said ALL women are like this UNA. Most of these ladies have known me for a while now, they feel comfortable around me and they trust me with some of their personal business. I always ask how they are and sometimes they expound a bit... Face it folks; women like guys that LISTEN to them...

You said:

The wrath of woman is something men have had to put up with for eons. It's like: "if momma's not happy, no one is happy". It's the way you ladies are wired. The guys have the "off" switch but most of them don't use it.

(BTW; what is that "off switch" you spoke of...dare I ask )​

Well it sounds to me that the 'good' ones are viewing you as a brother/friend rather than a potential husband. Or you're viewing the 'good' ones as sisters...I have a guys friend that does this; GREAT guy...but always ends up in that "you're like a brother" no-man's land

 

[UNA]

No adjustment is needed actually. God doesn't need "adjusting". Some of what was spoken of in the "old days" was specific to those days. Paul said that the women need to be silent in the churches because they really were mostly to their hubbys (And women say that men don't listen)...

Other writings are not time specific though. They applied back then and they apply today. Like not allowing female Pastors. It's very clear and, although many are doing it today, it is not something that should be looked on as ok. Staying in a congregation where a woman is the "Pastor" is condoning it IMO...

I never said God needed to adjust, just the interpretations. So how is one supposed to know whether God meant for something to apply for all time? Or do I not have the ability to tell...am I supposed to rely on your answers?

 

[ItalianScallion]

That was not the image I had when I read, "I listen to a lot of ladies telling me about their 'week'..." You came across as being generally disinterested. Then you said that they say non-nice things about their significant others as if only women do that. Women did not come up with the term "old ball 'n' chain".

Ok, if that's what you saw but I'm not un-interested in them either. I'm always open for a chance meeting. I go to about 6 different places for lunch & dinner throughout the week. I ONLY go to those places, so most of the staff & managers know me well. I usually sit in a spot where I can talk to them often and so I get to know their personal lives fairly well (and they get to know mine).
Btw, I don't get a lot of input from guys so I don't hear about the "ball & chain" much.

I would say that if this is happening to you routinely, you are looking in the wrong places. :shrug:

They say that many find someone, when they're not looking. I go to these same places because I like the food and the people. It would be nice to meet someone there to hang out with but I don't go there expecting it...

 

[thatguy]

Ok, if that's what you saw but I'm not un-interested in them either. I'm always open for a chance meeting. I go to about 6 different places for lunch & dinner throughout the week. I ONLY go to those places, so most of the staff & managers know me well. I usually sit in a spot where I can talk to them often and so I get to know their personal lives fairly well (and they get to know mine).
Btw, I don't get a lot of input from guys so I don't hear about the "ball & chain" much.

They say that many find someone, when they're not looking. I go to these same places because I like the food and the people. It would be nice to meet someone there to hang out with but I don't go there expecting it...

it sounds like that is exactly what you hope happens. I'd give you advice on better places and ways to meet women, but your attitudes towards women need to change before you stand a chance of having any of them willingly spending time with you unless you are paying them.


And I too would love to hear about this "off switch" that you have

 

[PsyOps]

it sounds like that is exactly what you hope happens. I'd give you advice on better places and ways to meet women, but your attitudes towards women need to change before you stand a chance of having any of them willingly spending time with you unless you are paying them.

Or making it out alive

 

[ItalianScallion]

(BTW; what is that "off switch" you spoke of...dare I ask )
Well it sounds to me that the 'good' ones are viewing you as a brother/friend rather than a potential husband. Or you're viewing the 'good' ones as sisters...I have a guys friend that does this; GREAT guy...but always ends up in that "you're like a brother" no-man's land

Many of them do see me as a brother or friend. I affectionately refer to some of them as my daughters though. As for the others, I've rarely met a woman who won't "step up" if she wants to meet me. I am a very approachable guy. I smile a lot, I make eye contact and say Hi to lots of people I don't know. I usually drop hints if I'm interested and see how they respond.

That off switch is what men should do for women and how they treat them.
No matter what women say, many of them STILL like men to be a bit "old fashioned"...

As I said earlier: Women nag because men are lazy & vice-versa. Men either are that lazy or they just don't care to treat their ladies the way they should. I could give you a boat load of examples but I'll just give a few:

Just doing something that helps take the load off her day would make a tremendous difference to her. Surprise her by doing some of her "chores" and let her find them done. Anything that puts her above all other things is an "off switch". Listen to her; don't forget important days; listen to her! etc. I've watched soo many relationships "die" because of the lack of romance. The loss of that loving feeling that was there in the beginning. I rarely give but I will hide sweet messages in her shoes, on the bathroom mirror, in her car, in her cell phone, etc...

I never said God needed to adjust, just the interpretations. So how is one supposed to know whether God meant for something to apply for all time? Or do I not have the ability to tell...am I supposed to rely on your answers?

The way we know is by understanding who the specific Bible book was written to and how the event relates to the rest of the "story". Through historical accounts and Bible context, we can tell if this was a particular "one time event" or a "for all time" event. The female Pastor issue was written to Timothy to tell all the churches about. That still stands today because we know that Paul & Timothy were not dealing with just one particular church.

Like the yearly sacrifices for the forgiveness of sins issue. That was established by God in the beginning but done away with by God through Jesus. We knew that it was going to change one day in the future because Jesus' coming was foretold many times. Certain laws were going to change with His death. God gave mankind 3 types of laws:
Civil Laws, Ceremonial Laws & Moral Laws. Civil & Ceremonial laws can & did change but God's moral laws will never change...