Financial advisors

vraiblonde

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Are they all stupid or is it me? They all say you need an enormous amount of money in your 401k in order to retire comfortably, but they never mention that money will still be earning. My 401k is earning more each month than I need to live comfortably, and now that I'm drawing SS I'm freaking RICH! 🤑 I didn't have anywhere near the million dollars they say you need.

What am I missing?
 

ontheriver

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I am my financial advisor. Definitely not paying anyone to tell me how to manage my little bit of money. Some of them probably rent a tiny apartment or live with their parents. Lol. If I mess up, there's no one to blame but me.
 

Sneakers

Just sneakin' around....
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Are they all stupid or is it me? They all say you need an enormous amount of money in your 401k in order to retire comfortably, but they never mention that money will still be earning. My 401k is earning more each month than I need to live comfortably, and now that I'm drawing SS I'm freaking RICH! 🤑 I didn't have anywhere near the million dollars they say you need.

What am I missing?
They consider the money you may need as you get older, that may not be covered by Medicare. Elder care, advanced care, housing, medical, etc.... Costs can go up significantly if you get ill.
 

TPD

the poor dad
What am I missing?
You are not living beyond your means. Your social security probably covers your monthly living expenses, so then your investment earnings are 'free' money to have fun with. But you've had your fun already with the travel across the country, and you've said you have no desire to travel overseas, so I guess your dog will be fat n happy when you pass this world!
 

PeoplesElbow

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My mom lived entirely off her (my dad's)social security, about $1800/month. That was from my parents being financially responsible their entire lives, they paid off their mortgage in 11 years. The real expense is if you ever need long term care, a nursing home is about $15k/month, assisted living is about $6k/month, this is when the money starts hemorrhaging.

I've always lived well under my means, when I retire I'll have SS, about a $4k/month pension, and over $3M in my 401k.
 

vraiblonde

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The real expense is if you ever need long term care, a nursing home is about $15k/month, assisted living is about $6k/month, this is when the money starts hemorrhaging.

I've never had a single relative live in a nursing home and I don't intend to be the first. My people die at a reasonable age, before they are unable to live without assistance. But you're right, for most people it's a good idea to prepare for that situation in some form.
 

Hessian

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Find an investment package that is principle protected.
That formula: SS & 4.5% of IRA & Passive income=Monthly income...has been working for several decades but the elder care costs are staggering!
 

vraiblonde

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I've always lived well under my means, when I retire I'll have SS, about a $4k/month pension, and over $3M in my 401k.

And seriously, what do you plan on doing with all that? Because you can literally do anything within reason.
 

PeoplesElbow

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I've never had a single relative live in a nursing home and I don't intend to be the first. My people die at a reasonable age, before they are unable to live without assistance. But you're right, for most people it's a good idea to prepare for that situation in some form.
My moms family was very similar, her mom died of cancer in her 60s, older sister the same, younger sister died in her 30s of MS, youngest sister is still alive, her dad and siblings (all 11) either died in WW2 or lived to around 100, grandpa died of an infection from a dog bite he never got care for at 91. She is the only one of the group to have a stroke, she didn't take care of her high blood pressure.
 

vraiblonde

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Retire early (57), have a log cabin in the mountains, live how I want.

I don't know you personally but I'm going to psychically hold you to this. 🖖 So many people have a dream list for their retirement and they never do it. Not because of money, but because they get set in their ways or life stuff comes up. I love the idea of a cabin in the mountains, but I'm also pretty happy with my little beach shack.
 

Hessian

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My Pilings are in...and the framing starts this week. The dock has been repaired on the rural 'Inner banks.' I bought the land in 2011 waiting for this day. People need to invest and tend the growth...NOT just trust a fund manager or formula. SAVE even if you have a low salary.
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Sneakers

Just sneakin' around....
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You never know what the future will bring. When my dad had to go to an assisted living facility, there was no worry about where the money would come from, he had it waiting. After he passed, his remaining accounts were divided between my brothers and I, and it wasn't an insignificant amount.

If you had told me at 72 y/o that I'd be buying a boat, I would have told you it wasn't happening. But it did. The boat's name... "Spur of the Moment". And I had the funds to just buy it outright, no loans, no worries, and barely touched my reserves. At the very least, having a nice portfolio will benefit someone after you pass, like my dad did for us. Any funds I don't use will get divided between my nieces and nephew for the benefit of their kids.
 

Clem72

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Are they all stupid or is it me? They all say you need an enormous amount of money in your 401k in order to retire comfortably, but they never mention that money will still be earning. My 401k is earning more each month than I need to live comfortably, and now that I'm drawing SS I'm freaking RICH! 🤑 I didn't have anywhere near the million dollars they say you need.

What am I missing?
You're probably missing the part where the market (historically) doesn't go up 15-25% every year like it has recently. Sometimes it even goes down. Will you still be so confident when your 401k loses as much each month as you need to live (and then you also need to withdraw your own funds too)?

The estimate they provide are meant to be viable long term with up and down markets. Typically they say you have enough savings if you can live off of 3% account value per year (so if you have $1M you withdraw $30,000). Some years the account will go up a LOT more than 3% (yay) and some years it will go down, but over time your account should continue to grow.
 

TPD

the poor dad
I don't know you personally but I'm going to psychically hold you to this. 🖖 So many people have a dream list for their retirement and they never do it. Not because of money, but because they get set in their ways or life stuff comes up. I love the idea of a cabin in the mountains, but I'm also pretty happy with my little beach shack.
I've got a dream. Originally my retirement goal was 50. That coulda happened until we decided to buy a grocery store in 2004 for ~$2mil and sell ing it 4 years later at ~$1.5mil - that ended up putting us in Chap11 bankruptcy for almost 10 years. Ok- just a small blip. Moved the goal to 55. That came and went 3 years ago - COVID affected that goal because we were planning on doing some weekend travel to start looking for a place to move to. I will be 58 this year and just have too much sh!t going on with too many horseshoes in the fires and snow. Wife wants to work till 60. By that time, there may or may not be a grandkid here that would keep us around - who knows. Right now the new granddog keeps my wife happy. Biggest hurdle is health insurance, which she carries with her job. Relatively debt free - house & rental was paid off 10 years ago. No farm debt. Just some store debt that I can leave to my daughter. I've managed all of our investments since we've been married. People may think we are making so much money I have to carry it to the bank in a suitcase, but we are not. A hardware store in a small town is not a get-rich-quick scheme - it's always been a hobby for me - something I've kept because the community needs it. The farm has it's ups n downs but I love what I do - hard work for a modest lifestyle. My wife is just a govt contractor employee with a HS diploma - she isn't making the big executive pay, but she goes to work everyday and likes what she does. We have lived within our means, saving every dollar possible. Started out at $20/month investing in AFLAC, putting all her pay raises into the 401k acct over the years, where now its a couple thousand $ a month going into stocks/401k/mutual funds. We are probably rich by your standards, but by mine, we are just ok. I have considered seeking a financial advisor but not sure what they could offer me. My current projections say we need $7500/month to maintain our lifestyle, which is not lavish by any means. That sounds like a lot, but health insurance/medical exp account for $2500 of that. Hell just to maintain 2 vehicles with ins/gas/tags/maint is $750/month. Utilities - elect/internet/phone - is $500/month. It all adds up. Trump has been good to our investments for the last year, but what happens when another demonrat takes office in 3 years?

Would still like to look at some places in NW Georgia/W S.Carolina/SE Tennessee. I think I need to be near, not on, some type of water, not that I'm a water sports person or fisherman, but just need the tranquility of it. A lake, river, creek, stream, etc. I don't want the ocean life - too much risk. Would like to be within an hour to 90mins of a major airport - I would like to continue traveling. Nothing exotic, other than an African safari. Otherwise, just some trips to Europe, cruises, national monuments, etc. Of course being near good medical care will be needed. Used to think I could be happy in SW Virginia but current state politics making me rethink that. My daughter is happy here and will likely stay on the farm, but not necessarily work the farm. Ideally 8 hours from 'home' is where I would like to be, but even that could be a good distance to travel in a day as we get older. Lets revisit this post in 5 years...
 

PeoplesElbow

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The thing everyone needs to consider about a financial advisor is nobody cares as much about your money as you do.

You also have to take into account some of what they recommend will make them money if you invest in it. That doesn't mean it's a bad choice, you just need to do your homework also. Unfortunately most people feel "oh it's math, it's hard, tell me what to do".
 

Czar

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What no one tells you when you are young, saving for retirement can bring on headaches later on with all your investments affecting IRRMA, ROTH conversions and all that.
 

Hessian

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Health insurance? We paid thousands every single year for it and I saw a Dr once every 8-10 years. Complete loss.
Because we are on P/T salaries in NC...and just got on one SS,...our healthcare is generally paid by the State marketplace. Its a "Bronze" plan but it is some of the best care we've had. We are paying maybe 3% of the inflated bills our provider submits.
 

vraiblonde

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our healthcare is generally paid by the State marketplace. Its a "Bronze" plan but it is some of the best care we've had. We are paying maybe 3% of the inflated bills our provider submits

Same. I feel like I should feel bad for being a burden on the tax payers, then I remember that they've been a burden on me my whole life so to hell with 'em. I don't make the rules, I just take advantage of rules other people make.
 
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