SamSpade
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Right. This is like beating a child senseless every time he comes home from running away.
Taxing the hell out of a business that moves their work offshore is VERY STRONG INCENTIVE for them to leave altogether.
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Taxing the hell out of a business that moves their work offshore is VERY STRONG INCENTIVE for them to leave altogether.
LateApex
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Ah.
But, reducing taxes for those companies that are willing to keep jobs in America is a good thing.
Is it not?
And taxing the hell out of those that want to move them out of America is even better.
SamSpade
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Have you ever noticed some of these shopping malls empty of stores? Often it's because the rents are sky-high. So what do people do?
They leave.
Tax the hell out of these companies, and they leave. Leave the United States.
You seem to think they can't do that.
This_person
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So, the answer to companies who are already globalized is to get them COMPLETELY out of the US, is that it?
LateApex
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Okay.
And give them tax breaks to stay. Give them incentive to create jobs here. Get a profit here - in America. They increase the bottom line here. Not because Pho Que in Cambodia can make a shoe cheaper.
LateApex
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No.
The answer is to give them incentive to create jobs here. To bring jobs back into the US.
Why are you against that?
What do you have against me wanting Americans to have jobs - here - in America?
chernmax
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wintersprings
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Bur But Chairman Obama said punish them, so they move out faster....good idea
LateApex
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LateApex
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What part of giving them tax incentives to create jobs here - in America - did you not understand?
I'll spell it out more slowly next time...
chernmax
NOT Politically Correct!!
Because History has a way of repeating itself...
SamSpade
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Good. So they stay. You know, not everyone in a shoe company is on the floor making shoes. Just cause you can outsource 10,000 manufacturing jobs in India doesn't mean you don't increase sales and retail jobs in the United States. And I've seen data to support that, especially in the tech industries, where outsourcing jobs overseas creates one job for every one created over there.
The difference is low-skill labor, which is always going to be cheaper there. The difference is the big moaning about manufacturing, specifically. THAT is just a reality that some Americans and politicians don't want to face - an advanced nation is no longer a nation of factory workers. It's not. That's what China and India are for.
You want good incentives? Try programs to advance the skills of your labor. Because it's a fool's errand to think we can still have mighty factories full of brawny workers. That is the past. It just is. China and India have more than 10 times our labor force. You just can't compete with nations that can put 10 guys on the job for less than your one.
LateApex
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SamSpade
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You don't have to. I think I count at least two posts where you talk about incentives to create jobs, and taxation for those who don't. As if the carrot AND stick method works.
LateApex
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chernmax
NOT Politically Correct!!
And the crash dive happened in 2006 when the Democrats took over congress. Everyone hates Bush but you're OK with a Democratic congress with a lower approval rating. Hypocrite!!!
LateApex
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SamSpade
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It's been happening. Part of my job is assembling statistics on the matter. Manufacturing jobs are vanishing from this country, just as farm labor is. Either you automate, or you outsource, but either way, you lose manufacturing jobs. THAT has been going on since the late 70's. Services is the mainstay of our economy, and it's staying that way.
But politicians like to visit towns which have lost manufacturing jobs and like to wax poetically about bygone eras and how Washington has let all their jobs float away in a morass of corporate greed. Yeah. Right. Maybe some of it is true, but it's like bemoaning the loss of the horse and buggy. It's NOT coming back, and placing blame for the loss of the horse and buggy should not result in incentives to bring it back.
Third world nations are nations with basically an agricultural or raw material base. Second world or "developing" nations are ones based on industry. First world nations are nations of service and information. And that's life. I just hate hearing about how these jobs are lost, but the reality is, they aren't ever coming back, nor should they.
If you only know how to program on PDP-11's or the Univac and only know COBOL, do us a favor and retire - or learn something new. That is how labor should be moving in this country. The old way is gone. It will not be back. Let THEM do that work.
chernmax
NOT Politically Correct!!
You're right, it basically started here!!!The wheels were in motion way before then.
LateApex
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Very well said.
Can we find a balance somewhere?
I agree. It's a global economy. It's not a closed loop system. Hasn't been that way for a while.
Still. I believe we need to give companies some incentive to create new jobs here and to levy taxes on those that continue to ship them offshore.
Give them a tax break to create jobs here.
OR
Give them tax breaks and they STILL move jobs out of the country.
I choose to keep them here.