Can you tell me what differences or improvements you and the other Board members have made in the time you have already spent on the BOD? What vision do you have of CRE after your two year plan is up?residentofcre said:
I certainly am not trying to belittle anyone, but I think its is clear to all who have been following this forum, that many of the residents of CRE aren't very happy with the direction that the neighborhood has been taking for some time now. It may be unfair to unload on you, however, as a Board member, you as well as the others must be held accountable for that direction. I do appreciate you making yourself available for this discussion. It is more that the other members have done.
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I have been to the county...
I got myself appointed to a task force that got the lines of communication opened [we weren't even talking before that]...
I got myself appointed to a committee that advised the commissioners to start working on stormwater management... that committee opened up storm water management grants for CRE, Drum Point and others... and now we are getting the hoops tamed
I got the gas tax revenue started and Ed Harvey, John Gray and others did the leg work with the Commissioners to bring it home... that will add an additional $250,000 revenue to CRE starting in 2009
As for my action on the Board... anyone can go in and read the minutes... I'm in there let me assure you.... I don't sit back and take up space...
But that's the past and you asked about the future....
If I return to the Board I'd work to get the accounting easier to understand. Put the Income Statement in easy to understand terms... we billed this much... we took in this much... we spent this much... on this... we owe this much on this.... and this is what we have left...
If I return to the Board I'd like to clear out those walking paths we found last winter and have a bike rodeo at the Campgrounds.
We need the Roads Supervisor to approve every cut in the road.... We pay for those roads out of our own pocket and we should oversee the slices put in them are closed correctly. There was a proposal brought before us last year at my request... this year I would bring it back for board action ... which it didn't get last year... because the Supervisor was supposed to do some modifications and bring it back to us...
If I return to the Board I would work on writing the grant requests for the lake cleanup, sidewalks and bike paths....
That's part my plan I'd like to finish from last year....
I got myself appointed to a task force that got the lines of communication opened [we weren't even talking before that]...
I got myself appointed to a committee that advised the commissioners to start working on stormwater management... that committee opened up storm water management grants for CRE, Drum Point and others... and now we are getting the hoops tamed
I got the gas tax revenue started and Ed Harvey, John Gray and others did the leg work with the Commissioners to bring it home... that will add an additional $250,000 revenue to CRE starting in 2009
As for my action on the Board... anyone can go in and read the minutes... I'm in there let me assure you.... I don't sit back and take up space...
But that's the past and you asked about the future....
If I return to the Board I'd work to get the accounting easier to understand. Put the Income Statement in easy to understand terms... we billed this much... we took in this much... we spent this much... on this... we owe this much on this.... and this is what we have left...
If I return to the Board I'd like to clear out those walking paths we found last winter and have a bike rodeo at the Campgrounds.
We need the Roads Supervisor to approve every cut in the road.... We pay for those roads out of our own pocket and we should oversee the slices put in them are closed correctly. There was a proposal brought before us last year at my request... this year I would bring it back for board action ... which it didn't get last year... because the Supervisor was supposed to do some modifications and bring it back to us...
If I return to the Board I would work on writing the grant requests for the lake cleanup, sidewalks and bike paths....
That's part my plan I'd like to finish from last year....
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While you are at it, you may want to make the accounting MAKE SENSE. Explain 12 grand for a server and the other issues that have been brought up. The biggest problem I see is that there sems to be NO ACCOUNTABILITY on the part of the BOD, the committees, etc. Will you commit to detailed audits of WHERE our money is going?
I'm not sure what a bike rodeo is, but I am all for activities that children can participate in and enjoy. However that being said, I would like to learn more about what exactly an activity is before I would 100% support it.
First - please explain the section I have BOLDED
WE need the Roads Supervisor to realize we have been paying into this big black hole for the "Roads Fee" and we still have POTHOLES throughout the neighborhood you need a ladder to get out of. And the paving project is a JOKE. If the paving project continues at it's current pace, we may have the roads paved by the time the United States colonizes the moon... WHO is responsible for holding the Roads Supervisor (whoever he/she/they are) accountable? As I recall, they took the gates down becuase they said it would save us money... then they decided we didnt need a fee cut and said the additional money (that we used to pay to actually make CRE a "Gated Community") would be put to use to improve the roads. How many years has it been now? I can count on one hand the number of roads I have seen paved since then, not to mention the ones that WERE paved are falling apart... Will you commit to holding the maintenence crews and "Road Supervisor" ACCOUNTABLE?
Grants are great, dont get me wrong here... Are you telling us that the amount of money that we pay as a community for M&O is not eoungh for this? again.. ACOUNTABILITY... where is our money going?
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K_Jo's new car.toogie said:
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I would commit to that if you would commit to reading the report... deal?toogie said:
A bike rodeo is just that... bicycle safety tips and bicycle registration usually takes place at the rodeo [a free service of the local sheriff's office]. Toddlers have little races where everyone gets a prize... the races by age group based on the quality of the roads or path... picnic lunches.. sack races... baloons... you know a good day of fun... introducing families a good time while learning what the campground offers too... meanwhile kids learn bike safety and bikes get registered... if they are stolen they are trackable...toogie said:
The Special Taxing District has been working on the same list since it began before I moved in back in 1998. There is a list of Primary Roads to be paved. In addition to those roads... certain secondary roads with Storm Water Management Problems must also be tackled. What does tackled mean? Well that depends on the problem. It means whatever the County and the Roads Commitee agrees it should. Under the Special Taxing District CRE must complete $100,000 per year on Secondary Roads. However that includes ditching, signs, culverts, other piping, and engineering. Back in the late 90's we didn't want to spend our $100,000 on engineering the Storm Water Management and we had to come up with a plan. We had to come up with a plan... I was on a committee with engineers... they would never let me formally join because I wasn't an engineer myself.toogie said:
Finally, after studying the ADC map for about a week I came up with what I called the ABC plan. There are three major bodies of water in CRE. We labled them AB&C. Since storm water flows down hill at a faster pace the closer it gets to the bottom of the hill, I suggested that we start searching the areas at the top of the hill with the greatest storm water needs. Even though the need was greatest it would be less expensive and we could work into the most expensive while we worked on other funding sources. The county liked it. By the time we got into the a little farther into it we found about the Storm Water Grants...
Now... Roads Department Accountability is a horse of a different color... I favor a real work order system... one that requires the signature of the member that called in the complaint in the first place. Anyone can say "I filled in fifty holes". Take Arrowhead Trail for instance. You will see Arrowhead Trail on the reports all the time. It looks like they really take care of the road. The other end of the road may be in really good shape most of the time... but Arrowhead Trail crosses Thunderbird Trail. They've been on my end of Arrowhead Trail 3 times in 8 years. Twice they came here to plow it out [once was after we had shoveled it out and they iced us in but at least they came] and once was to bring in the rock that it took going to the Board meeting and begging for because I couldn't get them by asking on the phone, or at the Roads Committee meetings. I had used up at all the rock in my driveway that I was willing to give away... after all it's my driveway and if I give it all for the road then my driveway will rut away too!..... So getting a Signed of Work Order is a must for me.... I know this is possible... I've seen it work....But only if we change the people on the Roads Committee because they would stop me...got me?
These are very very very very expensive projects... the Lake restoration, sidewalks and bike paths... and grants are refunds on tax dollars that we have paid in already to the State and yes the Federal Government. If we don't ask for the money,.... someone in Rockville will.... why shouldn't we ask for it? It doesn't have to be paid back!toogie said:
Do I think we should start with a fountain? Sure... the Lake Committee is looking into something... but a grant would go a long way toward making this problem go away and not come back. One fountain is not going to clean up the Lake....
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Someone left a karma note wanting to know why I left the Board meeting after I voted no on that hiked up budget.
After I voted no... someone said move to adjourn... I said second... someone else said call the questions... Ed said all in favor... everyone said aye...
I got up and left....
I left because the meeting was over.... I never walked out of any meeting in a huff any time any where that I can ever remember..... I always like the last word!
That's why I left.... good enough?
Explaination over....
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Look everyone... don't leave your requests in my karma...
I am quitting smoking... haven't had a cigarette in a month... and I am on a diet... I've lost 25 pounds.... I have been belittled and slandered by bullies and cowards for doing a volunteer job for my community....I'm not in the mood for any more garbage from bullies, cowards, or liars
I'll be glad to answer questions and comments here... ok?
I am offering to serve my community for another 2 years because I have experience and it's a shame to re-invent the wheel...... I volunteer... it's free of charge.... vote for me or don't... it's a personal decision........
But don't be a coward and leave crap in karma.... at least come in the forum and say it .... that's why I opened this thread.... That's the problem with bullies and liars... they're all really cowards....
After I voted no... someone said move to adjourn... I said second... someone else said call the questions... Ed said all in favor... everyone said aye...
I got up and left....
I left because the meeting was over.... I never walked out of any meeting in a huff any time any where that I can ever remember..... I always like the last word!
That's why I left.... good enough?
Explaination over....
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Look everyone... don't leave your requests in my karma...
I am quitting smoking... haven't had a cigarette in a month... and I am on a diet... I've lost 25 pounds.... I have been belittled and slandered by bullies and cowards for doing a volunteer job for my community....I'm not in the mood for any more garbage from bullies, cowards, or liars
I'll be glad to answer questions and comments here... ok?
I am offering to serve my community for another 2 years because I have experience and it's a shame to re-invent the wheel...... I volunteer... it's free of charge.... vote for me or don't... it's a personal decision........
But don't be a coward and leave crap in karma.... at least come in the forum and say it .... that's why I opened this thread.... That's the problem with bullies and liars... they're all really cowards....
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MOST being the operative word.....
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While I have a few minutes ..... I got the Recorder this morning and I read the Editorials....
As stated earlier in this thread I am not in a very good mood lately so I am in no mood to hold any punches.... If people continue to take pot shots at me I think it only fair for me to take a few at them....
There seems to be two big special interests in CRE... the Airport and the LAKEFRONT OWNERS.... Yes Fred Mumma and George Miller that would be you....
I know you are anxious to get the coffers all plumped up to "find" another big pot of money so that you can clean up the lake all in one swoop but the fact of the matter is you need to go to the rest of the members and ask them before you can take it...I'm sure this time they will approve since this time it would be for the use of all the members instead of a only a few.
I digress.... At the AIRPORT several years ago [before I got on the board] the runway was seriously rutted. This is a dangerous situation when you are trying to land a plane [or so I am told - I don't fly]. John Eney was President then. George Miller was a Director and Fred Mumma was Treasurer but maybe he was just on the Finance Committee [back then you needed a score card to keep them straight too]. George "found" $400,000 of CRE funds. Just found it! Just so happened that we had deposited $400,000 dollars in past income in the bank.... had not designated it for anything.... and instead of using it for the beaches that we all use or replacing some of the infrastructure on some of the buildings we all use.... They decided to go to the board with the idea of using the $400,000 to pave the runway and build a brand new compound for Roads Equipment.
George Miller.... Fred Mumma.... are still active.... and they both live on the LAKE.... they are both working to get me off the board because I called for an audit of the books... connect the dots here people..... Sure an audit of the books of our board wouldn't show anything..... we didn't just happen to "find" $400,000!
This is probably not the last time I am going to have to say this ...but I will because it is appropriate and I brought the matter up... Yes, I called for an audit of the books. A member said that CRE had an outstanding Accounts Receivable of over $600,000.00. Since CRE, in accordance with its ludicrous Policies & Procedures [which a committee I am on was working on changing... had almost completed and ready for legal to read through] reports on a cash basis not accrual... we had no way to verify or refute the claim. Michelle James made the motion. I seconded it. Staff did not do it. THE AUDIT NEVER HAPPEND!!!! It did not cost the Association one red penny. We did manage to swith Accountants from some firm in Rockville to Askey & Askey here in Leonardtown. No Cost increase. They are well known. They are very very well respected.
While I wish George & Fred would find some well hidden money to clean up the Lake because that would be a good use of the the money.... I think maybe the Airport people should payback the Association the money for the runway...that would help... after all the airport is supposed to be a self sustaining amenity.... and the money could be put right into lake restoration.... Meanwhile, the Lake Committee is working on a shorterm plan, and I would love to work on a grant...
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Back to the original question .... If CRE had already spent say $5,000 to put in a fountain and the State came in with $5,000 on top of that.... the State would count our $5,000 as part of our contribution of a matching grant if that's the way the grant is written... it's the grant writing that is important...... right now all the hand wringing in the world will not fix that lake.... someone has to set pen to paper.... or fingers to keyboard.... and if re-elected I would do that...
A few years ago the State of Maryland DNR had $6 Million Dollars in Parks & Recreation money to give away.... and we didn't qualify.... we qualify now because of a little change that was made because of the Infrastructure Task Force I was on [no I'm not taking full credit just my fair share].... The money is in a different pot but it's out there. Why shouldn't we ask?
Or maybe Fred or George will just find some more of our money for us instead..
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I want to congratulate you on taking your health into your own hands by quitting smoking AND losing weight. That's tough. I lost over 70 pounds the year my husband was deployed and have managed to keep it off and turn it into employment. I also want to tahnk you for what you are doing/trying to do. You are the only one out here giving us any information therefore you are taking the brunt of all the blows. Everyone else, it seems, wants to keep everything secret so the majority does not know what the minority is doing. I think you are one of the few who has been open with everything fromt he financial issues to what you want accomplished. I also think you are one of the few who has the majority in mind when you make your decisions. So, I thank you for this. I voted for you again so I hope you continue to be as open with things as you are now so we can be updated about what's going on "behind closed doors". Thank you and congratulations on your health!residentofcre said:
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I was going to thank you in karma but I got distracted and forgot to put in a note to say it was from me.... Thank you...dbquad1993 said:
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My husband and I were just discussing this forum and he said I was holding back. He said there were some other issues that I should discuss with you.
The house down by the Clubhouse is known has the GM house. There was some discussion recently about turning it into a Fitness Center. That isn't what I suggested.
I suggested turning the GM house into a Police Substation so we would have Police Protection in CRE 24/7. When Sheriff Evans was running for office the first time he promissed us 24/7 protection and we still don't have it. My plan would be to build it and remind him of his campaign promise and he would have to make good! Right?
CRE owns 498 lots. Do you mean to tell me they could not find one lot that was suitable for a good dog park?
I think the dog park at the beach is STUPID. I made a stink [pardon the pun] about it at the meeting. I made a point of telling people that dogs can't read. Well they put "woof woof bark bark" or something like that on the sign. How clever.... but let me ask you this... what about the errant dog turds? Can they read too?
Shouldn't there be a line on there that says in turd talk something like "poo poo pot pot" [translate to don't go down the shore line with the tide and get in any little child's hair]? What were they thinking?
Speaking of the Lots.... of which we own 498 at an appraised value of over $7million... they can't find a couple of appropriate lots to put in a good skate board place. I bet the kids would do a fund raiser, build it, keep it up, and even pay a fee to use it in order to cover the insurance.... just a thought....
Speaking of the Beach....and MOTORCYCLES, moped, and motor scooters. I would like to know why exactly they are not allowed to park at the beaches. At least when a licensed driver of a legal motorcycle, moped, or motor scooter arrives at a beach they are going to park and get off. The noise will stop. Those SKI-DOOs or whatever you call them keep droning on and on and on and on and on and on... well you get the point. If noise is the only reason to keep a vehicle off the beaches it just doesn't make sense to me. At least a Motorcycle rider isn't going to drawn a child by coming too close to shore at 60 mph!
I'm all for having fun, don't get me wrong... I am just saying the Rule against Motorcycles, mopeds, and motorcyles [LEGAL ONES] is exclusionary and it should be brought before the membership for a vote.
SPEAKING OF THAT.... lets talk about the whole myth being spread that I am for kids riding these things. That's not true. I am talking about licensed drivers. What child do you know that has a driver's license? I was very specific to request that.
There has been a lot of talk about the $12,000 Server. I am not sure but I think I have figured it out. For years CRE has always had a part time on call IT guy. For this service there has always been a line item in the amount of $17,500. CRE pays the same amount every month. Kind of a retainer. It's not based on hours. Last year when the budget came up, I asked if we couldn't just pay a reputable company by the hour less than this and recieve a warranty and maybe save a couple of thousand dollars. I was assured that this was not the case. This year the amount of money on that line item dropped substantially. When I saw this gentleman, I asked him about it and he commented that he was covered elsewhere in the budget. I would assume [and I may be wrong] that the server includes a little more than half of his annual fee.
Now... On to Roads... Remember, I have been instructed to tell you what I really think by my husband... so here goes....
I don't understand why the Roads Crew doesn't do it's own paving. They don't pick up trash. I saw a guy on a lawn mower in front the camprounds blade up riding around killing time for over 30 minutes so they must have time to kill and fuel money to burn. We own a very expensive grader and our Roads Supervisor was imported from the Roads dept of St. Mary's County and he knows what he's doing. We have dump trucks that could go to the asphalt plant in Hollywood the same as the contractors do. The only thing we don't have that they have is the paver. Wouldn't it be cheaper [in the long run] to purchase a paver? You know the contractor makes a profit on all the contracts. Wait... if we buy a paver and stop using a contractor... people won't be able to get their driveways paved....now I get it!
Now let's talk why people don't pay dues.... That's really simple... some people don't pay dues because they don't see where it's going and they are sick and tired of paying in to get nothing. So raising the fee is not going to get them to pay any faster. It's just going to put a burden on those of us who do pay.
Let me let you in on a little something I just read. I work for a homeowner's association in St. Mary's County. One of the little perks I get is the chance to read a monthly magazine called the QUOROM. It's published by the an organization for Community Associations. Maryland Legislation has been very busy on behalf of HOA's. The task for I was on... and one that is even bigger [a Statewide Task Force] really did some miraculous work apparently. According to the article I read the liens that the HOA's put in now... might just take first place over the mortgage... that's right ladies and gentlemen.... it seems that greedy little CRE could bully you right out of your land... if the bill really did pass... I plan on looking into it some more to make sure that's what it says. If I were you, I would too....
That's not all he told me to write but... that should be enough to discuss for at least a day or so... right?
The house down by the Clubhouse is known has the GM house. There was some discussion recently about turning it into a Fitness Center. That isn't what I suggested.
I suggested turning the GM house into a Police Substation so we would have Police Protection in CRE 24/7. When Sheriff Evans was running for office the first time he promissed us 24/7 protection and we still don't have it. My plan would be to build it and remind him of his campaign promise and he would have to make good! Right?
CRE owns 498 lots. Do you mean to tell me they could not find one lot that was suitable for a good dog park?
I think the dog park at the beach is STUPID. I made a stink [pardon the pun] about it at the meeting. I made a point of telling people that dogs can't read. Well they put "woof woof bark bark" or something like that on the sign. How clever.... but let me ask you this... what about the errant dog turds? Can they read too?
Shouldn't there be a line on there that says in turd talk something like "poo poo pot pot" [translate to don't go down the shore line with the tide and get in any little child's hair]? What were they thinking?Speaking of the Lots.... of which we own 498 at an appraised value of over $7million... they can't find a couple of appropriate lots to put in a good skate board place. I bet the kids would do a fund raiser, build it, keep it up, and even pay a fee to use it in order to cover the insurance.... just a thought....
Speaking of the Beach....and MOTORCYCLES, moped, and motor scooters. I would like to know why exactly they are not allowed to park at the beaches. At least when a licensed driver of a legal motorcycle, moped, or motor scooter arrives at a beach they are going to park and get off. The noise will stop. Those SKI-DOOs or whatever you call them keep droning on and on and on and on and on and on... well you get the point. If noise is the only reason to keep a vehicle off the beaches it just doesn't make sense to me. At least a Motorcycle rider isn't going to drawn a child by coming too close to shore at 60 mph!
I'm all for having fun, don't get me wrong... I am just saying the Rule against Motorcycles, mopeds, and motorcyles [LEGAL ONES] is exclusionary and it should be brought before the membership for a vote.
SPEAKING OF THAT.... lets talk about the whole myth being spread that I am for kids riding these things. That's not true. I am talking about licensed drivers. What child do you know that has a driver's license? I was very specific to request that.
There has been a lot of talk about the $12,000 Server. I am not sure but I think I have figured it out. For years CRE has always had a part time on call IT guy. For this service there has always been a line item in the amount of $17,500. CRE pays the same amount every month. Kind of a retainer. It's not based on hours. Last year when the budget came up, I asked if we couldn't just pay a reputable company by the hour less than this and recieve a warranty and maybe save a couple of thousand dollars. I was assured that this was not the case. This year the amount of money on that line item dropped substantially. When I saw this gentleman, I asked him about it and he commented that he was covered elsewhere in the budget. I would assume [and I may be wrong] that the server includes a little more than half of his annual fee.
Now... On to Roads... Remember, I have been instructed to tell you what I really think by my husband... so here goes....
I don't understand why the Roads Crew doesn't do it's own paving. They don't pick up trash. I saw a guy on a lawn mower in front the camprounds blade up riding around killing time for over 30 minutes so they must have time to kill and fuel money to burn. We own a very expensive grader and our Roads Supervisor was imported from the Roads dept of St. Mary's County and he knows what he's doing. We have dump trucks that could go to the asphalt plant in Hollywood the same as the contractors do. The only thing we don't have that they have is the paver. Wouldn't it be cheaper [in the long run] to purchase a paver? You know the contractor makes a profit on all the contracts. Wait... if we buy a paver and stop using a contractor... people won't be able to get their driveways paved....now I get it!
Now let's talk why people don't pay dues.... That's really simple... some people don't pay dues because they don't see where it's going and they are sick and tired of paying in to get nothing. So raising the fee is not going to get them to pay any faster. It's just going to put a burden on those of us who do pay.
Let me let you in on a little something I just read. I work for a homeowner's association in St. Mary's County. One of the little perks I get is the chance to read a monthly magazine called the QUOROM. It's published by the an organization for Community Associations. Maryland Legislation has been very busy on behalf of HOA's. The task for I was on... and one that is even bigger [a Statewide Task Force] really did some miraculous work apparently. According to the article I read the liens that the HOA's put in now... might just take first place over the mortgage... that's right ladies and gentlemen.... it seems that greedy little CRE could bully you right out of your land... if the bill really did pass... I plan on looking into it some more to make sure that's what it says. If I were you, I would too....
That's not all he told me to write but... that should be enough to discuss for at least a day or so... right?
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Becky,
Thank you for spending the time answering questions. You are the only one here willing to speak up and for that I am grateful. Boy Frank really put you through the ringer in the paper today I see. And for that Everyone that he has recommended will not get my vote. I have never seen such crappy mud slinging. I will have some questions FOR him at the meeting btw.
Also I wrote a nice letter to the paper questioning the board on almost every line item minus the 800.00 cause I am ADD and forgot about that one at the moment of battle I was typing for.
Thank you for spending the time answering questions. You are the only one here willing to speak up and for that I am grateful. Boy Frank really put you through the ringer in the paper today I see. And for that Everyone that he has recommended will not get my vote. I have never seen such crappy mud slinging. I will have some questions FOR him at the meeting btw.
Also I wrote a nice letter to the paper questioning the board on almost every line item minus the 800.00 cause I am ADD and forgot about that one at the moment of battle I was typing for.
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Thank you for mentioning the $800.... that reminds me.... did you notice the the last little item?FastCarsSpeed said:
It says the board can only increase it annually. Isn't that nice.... they can only increase it annually but there is no limitation on how much they can increase it!!! Did you notice that????
So... in 2008 they are stuck with $800 but in 2009 it can go up to $1500 and then in 2010 the board can decide it will be $3000 and by 2011 the Board can decide that when you sell a lot or a house they want to take $10,000 from the sale of your property and there is not a thing you can do about it. Did you notice that little diddy???? They are very good at what they do.... They even slid that one by me the first time.... but not on the ballot... I voted no on the ballot...
Don't forget to get your ballots for the officer's in before the 20th... you can't hang on to them until the meeting. They have to be counted before the meeting!
There are a couple of people on Fred Mumma's list that I wouldn't mind voting for...
Jennie tried to cut the budget but couldn't get the General Manager to budge. She has an extensive financial background.
Jack is running unopposed for VP so he's probably a top pick.
I will vote for Dianne to return as Secretary.
The upgraded playground at the Lake Beach is only there because of hard work of Secretary Dianne Schmidt. No one else would have put that much effort out back then...some of you never saw or maybe don't remember the old playground. It was a mess compared to what we have now. Dianne did an excellent job. She researched it. She price shopped. She did everything she could to make it safe for the children in the neighborhood to play... She's my pick for Secretary. She does the right thing. People forget that she did that... But she did... she deserves our respect! Some people should be ashamed of themselves for the way they have treated her lately. She deserves not only our vote of confidence but our respect and gratitude.
Yep Dianne Schmidt gets my vote.... for sure!
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I am really amazed that the cowards are still at it.
I have invited them into the threads. I have opened this one for them to really discuss issues and they hide in karma throwing potshots.... the latest one is they call me a disgrace to the community.
You know.... I simply don't understand why they would hide in karma & say that.
If someone really thinks I'm a disgrace to CRE, they must have some reason that can be backed with some fact that they can bring to this thread. Let's talk it out... this forum is a great place for debate.... oh wait... that's right... bullies are cowards... I keep missing that point...
I finally got a copy of the Petition everyone has been talking about. I had never seen it.... What a horribly written pack of lies! No wonder the author won't come forward. If I wrote that bad and told all those lies I would hide too. Coward!! I wonder if they had a clue that the cost of the petition would be $6,000.00? The Association will have to pay about $6,000 in printing and first class mailing costs to mail the recall ballots and have the meetings called for under the bylaws.
In my opinion CRE should require the coward to come forward before proceeding. At least I sign all my work...... Got that Karma Cowards....Oh that's right... I keep missing the fact... you can't come forward because you distorted the truth.... you are a liar and a coward.... You have a whole lot of nerve calling me a disgrace to the community... At least I'm not hiding in the karma... coward!!
I started reading the names on it.... OMG.... some of the people don't even live in CRE... and one of the people is a friend and supporter of a one of the people that is listed on the petition to be outsed!
One of the people who signed the petition is running for office. I hear she said she didn't know the petition was a pack of lies.... she could have asked. I consider her my friend... she could have asked and I would have told her the truth. She is recanting her signature... and it soon won't make an difference anyway... but that's for a different posting....
I'd like to find out just how many people signed the petition the night that I spoke out against the Special Taxing District rate hike. I wonder how many knew they signed the petition to remove me. I wonder if they knew that's what they were signing!
It really doesn't matter.... but I'd like to know .... call it research since no one would know who you are anyway on line.....
I don't back down from Bullies, liars, or cowards.... I am not a disgrace to anyone.... If you have something to say to me.... feel free to say it in this forum where everyone can see it... it's called open forum discussion.... coward!!!
I am really amazed that the cowards are still at it.
I have invited them into the threads. I have opened this one for them to really discuss issues and they hide in karma throwing potshots.... the latest one is they call me a disgrace to the community.
You know.... I simply don't understand why they would hide in karma & say that.
If someone really thinks I'm a disgrace to CRE, they must have some reason that can be backed with some fact that they can bring to this thread. Let's talk it out... this forum is a great place for debate.... oh wait... that's right... bullies are cowards... I keep missing that point...
I finally got a copy of the Petition everyone has been talking about. I had never seen it.... What a horribly written pack of lies! No wonder the author won't come forward. If I wrote that bad and told all those lies I would hide too. Coward!! I wonder if they had a clue that the cost of the petition would be $6,000.00? The Association will have to pay about $6,000 in printing and first class mailing costs to mail the recall ballots and have the meetings called for under the bylaws.
In my opinion CRE should require the coward to come forward before proceeding. At least I sign all my work...... Got that Karma Cowards....Oh that's right... I keep missing the fact... you can't come forward because you distorted the truth.... you are a liar and a coward.... You have a whole lot of nerve calling me a disgrace to the community... At least I'm not hiding in the karma... coward!!
I started reading the names on it.... OMG.... some of the people don't even live in CRE... and one of the people is a friend and supporter of a one of the people that is listed on the petition to be outsed!
One of the people who signed the petition is running for office. I hear she said she didn't know the petition was a pack of lies.... she could have asked. I consider her my friend... she could have asked and I would have told her the truth. She is recanting her signature... and it soon won't make an difference anyway... but that's for a different posting....
I'd like to find out just how many people signed the petition the night that I spoke out against the Special Taxing District rate hike. I wonder how many knew they signed the petition to remove me. I wonder if they knew that's what they were signing!
It really doesn't matter.... but I'd like to know .... call it research since no one would know who you are anyway on line.....
I don't back down from Bullies, liars, or cowards.... I am not a disgrace to anyone.... If you have something to say to me.... feel free to say it in this forum where everyone can see it... it's called open forum discussion.... coward!!!
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residentofcre
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I just got the count of elegible voters... actually I got it this week but lost the email....BadGirl said:
We have 2.673 eligible voters....
That does not mean that over 1,500 are deliquent [although a good number of them are] there are a good number of multiple lot owners in CRE. The accounting supervisor is on vacation and I am waiting for her to return before I would even begin to estimate a deliquency rate... But someone asked how many eligible voters we have and that is the number we have been given....
We have at least 330 votes for a dull boring election every year which is 12% voter turn out. That's low....
Here's some ballot return numbers to look for....
2678... 100%
2050... 90%
2008... 75% fancy that!
1606... 60%
1339... 50% I'd be amazed!
1071... 40%
803.... 30% I'd be thrilled
669.... 25% Good
535... 20%
401... 15% We usually could pull in 15% vote in CRE....
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Only one vote is counted per membership in good standing. Dues must be paid to be member in good standing.
Ballots for Board must be in CRE offices no later than the 20th.
Ballots for Resolutions are due no later than the 21st.
If you would like to hold your ballot for the resolutions until the meeting and discussion, you will have the opportunity to vote at the meeting. If you miss the meeting, however, you miss the opportunity to cast your ballot on the resolutions.
ladyhawk
New Member
"One of the people who signed the petition is running for office. I hear she said she didn't know the petition was a pack of lies.... she could have asked. I consider her my friend... she could have asked and I would have told her the truth. She is recanting her signature... and it soon won't make an difference anyway... but that's for a different posting.... "
In Reply to Ms. Tice's quote:
I am the one that is running for office that signed that petition. My name is June Mellinger. I have never been invited to this post and ran into it by accident this evening, although I see that she "invited others". I have never told anyone I was recanting my signature, maybe you should have asked me. "Pack of Lies" is not in my vocabulary...
What I read on that petition was exactly what I saw happen during the board meetings I attended, which was my reason for signing the petition. I was told later that the board "changed their minds"? How was the membership to know that the board changed their minds? It was never brought up in any meeting after, that I attended and never put out in an email or in the RUT.
I think the meeting minutes would reflect the lack of communication in that respect.
I've requested Proof of emails that supposedly started all of this ("retaliation by Mr. Navickas") to date, have not received anything from anyone! The only thing I have gotten is "trust me". More solid evidence is necessary before I trust anyone in making me change my mind. I don't change my mind because someone else doesn't agree with me.
The last time I was on the board, we had a surplus of funds. These funds were moved into CD's by a board I served to protect POACRE's financial future... I was approached not by Mr. Mumma or Mr. Miller, but by others in our community. I had planned to run for Director until I was told that the current Secretary was not sure about running and my position changed. Now she is and I wish her the best.
A Dog Park, walking paths.. We still have other areas that need attention before adding more to the mix.. Where are we going to get the money to maintain those if we truly have an issue with maintaining what we have now?
Becky, I'm really surprised to have read through all of this and seen some of the stuff that you have posted. The stables needed a perimeter fence since before I moved here in 1999. With certain people, including you, we finally got that. And I THANK everyone! After all it is never one person, but the board as a whole that makes these decisions, although you did help support it.
What a surprise when we recently found out that we are the ONLY amenity that is self supporting. It helped the Administration office and the people using the facility worked together with the board for a common goal! We hope to continue to meet our goals regardless of everyone else. A big KUDOS to all that were involved!
I care about this community and always have and that will never change. Oh one more thing you might want to know, I have forwarded this thread to other parties that I thought would be interested to learn what has been said here.
Best of luck to you.
June Mellinger
PS. I would like to add that the only reservations I found in signing the petition was when I heard that it was going to cost our association more money.
In Reply to Ms. Tice's quote:
I am the one that is running for office that signed that petition. My name is June Mellinger. I have never been invited to this post and ran into it by accident this evening, although I see that she "invited others". I have never told anyone I was recanting my signature, maybe you should have asked me. "Pack of Lies" is not in my vocabulary...
What I read on that petition was exactly what I saw happen during the board meetings I attended, which was my reason for signing the petition. I was told later that the board "changed their minds"? How was the membership to know that the board changed their minds? It was never brought up in any meeting after, that I attended and never put out in an email or in the RUT.
I think the meeting minutes would reflect the lack of communication in that respect.
I've requested Proof of emails that supposedly started all of this ("retaliation by Mr. Navickas") to date, have not received anything from anyone! The only thing I have gotten is "trust me". More solid evidence is necessary before I trust anyone in making me change my mind. I don't change my mind because someone else doesn't agree with me.
The last time I was on the board, we had a surplus of funds. These funds were moved into CD's by a board I served to protect POACRE's financial future... I was approached not by Mr. Mumma or Mr. Miller, but by others in our community. I had planned to run for Director until I was told that the current Secretary was not sure about running and my position changed. Now she is and I wish her the best.
A Dog Park, walking paths.. We still have other areas that need attention before adding more to the mix.. Where are we going to get the money to maintain those if we truly have an issue with maintaining what we have now?
Becky, I'm really surprised to have read through all of this and seen some of the stuff that you have posted. The stables needed a perimeter fence since before I moved here in 1999. With certain people, including you, we finally got that. And I THANK everyone! After all it is never one person, but the board as a whole that makes these decisions, although you did help support it.
What a surprise when we recently found out that we are the ONLY amenity that is self supporting. It helped the Administration office and the people using the facility worked together with the board for a common goal! We hope to continue to meet our goals regardless of everyone else. A big KUDOS to all that were involved!
I care about this community and always have and that will never change. Oh one more thing you might want to know, I have forwarded this thread to other parties that I thought would be interested to learn what has been said here.
Best of luck to you.
June Mellinger
PS. I would like to add that the only reservations I found in signing the petition was when I heard that it was going to cost our association more money.
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FastCarsSpeed
Come Play at BigWoodys
June,ladyhawk said:"One of the people who signed the petition is running for office. I hear she said she didn't know the petition was a pack of lies.... she could have asked. I consider her my friend... she could have asked and I would have told her the truth. She is recanting her signature... and it soon won't make an difference anyway... but that's for a different posting.... "
In Reply to Ms. Tice's quote:
I am the one that is running for office that signed that petition. My name is June Mellinger. I have never been invited to this post and ran into it by accident this evening, although I see that she "invited others". I have never told anyone I was recanting my signature, maybe you should have asked me. "Pack of Lies" is not in my vocabulary...
What I read on that petition was exactly what I saw happen during the board meetings I attended, which was my reason for signing the petition. I was told later that the board "changed their minds"? How was the membership to know that the board changed their minds? It was never brought up in any meeting after, that I attended and never put out in an email or in the RUT.
I think the meeting minutes would reflect the lack of communication in that respect.
I've requested Proof of emails that supposedly started all of this ("retaliation by Mr. Navickas") to date, have not received anything from anyone! The only thing I have gotten is "trust me". More solid evidence is necessary before I trust anyone in making me change my mind. I don't change my mind because someone else doesn't agree with me.
The last time I was on the board, we had a surplus of funds. These funds were moved into CD's by a board I served to protect POACRE's financial future... I was approached not by Mr. Mumma or Mr. Miller, but by others in our community. I had planned to run for Director until I was told that the current Secretary was not sure about running and my position changed. Now she is and I wish her the best.
A Dog Park, walking paths.. We still have other areas that need attention before adding more to the mix.. Where are we going to get the money to maintain those if we truly have an issue with maintaining what we have now?
Becky, I'm really surprised to have read through all of this and seen some of the stuff that you have posted. The stables needed a perimeter fence since before I moved here in 1999. With certain people, including you, we finally got that. And I THANK everyone! After all it is never one person, but the board as a whole that makes these decisions, although you did help support it.
What a surprise when we recently found out that we are the ONLY amenity that is self supporting. It helped the Administration office and the people using the facility worked together with the board for a common goal! We hope to continue to meet our goals regardless of everyone else. A big KUDOS to all that were involved!
I care about this community and always have and that will never change. Oh one more thing you might want to know, I have forwarded this thread to other parties that I thought would be interested to learn what has been said here.
Best of luck to you.
June Mellinger
PS. I would like to add that the only reservations I found in signing the petition was when I heard that it was going to cost our association more money.
Thank you for coming and posting. I would like to know how you feel on couple of the topics that are in the Ballot. So you agree with the new M&O Fee? Also do you agree with the 800.00 transfer fee? I would like to know your reasoning on thinking that these fees are for the good or bad for the community.
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residentofcre
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I just received the strangest Karma request...
It said... "why don't you just tell everyone how you DON'T volunteer in the community".
In case people don't know... the CRE Board IS as volunteer board.
In case people don't know.... the I was at a volunteer committee meeting a night almost for almost the entire first year on the board... and then I ran for Commissioner and campaigning IS NOT a paid position.
In case people don't know... I answer at least three emails a night... read at least 10 emails a night... and usually get or make 1 phone call a night concerning CRE. I didn't get paid for any of those.... so I guess they were all volunteer.
I was asked by the new General Manager to take the notes June sent, the old Stable Documents, and Assistant General Manager's Notes and merge them into an acceptable document for the Stables.... for that I got zero pay and a nasty email from a couple of people but I also got a few thank you emails.... one from June Mellinger... so that must have been volunteer....
I am on the committee to update the Policies and Procedures for CRE... that is volunteer....
I wrote, published, counted, and reported the Survey last year... received zero dollars for it.... that was volunteer....
So I am so sorry... I can't tell you why I don't volunteer
It said... "why don't you just tell everyone how you DON'T volunteer in the community".
In case people don't know... the CRE Board IS as volunteer board.
In case people don't know.... the I was at a volunteer committee meeting a night almost for almost the entire first year on the board... and then I ran for Commissioner and campaigning IS NOT a paid position.
In case people don't know... I answer at least three emails a night... read at least 10 emails a night... and usually get or make 1 phone call a night concerning CRE. I didn't get paid for any of those.... so I guess they were all volunteer.
I was asked by the new General Manager to take the notes June sent, the old Stable Documents, and Assistant General Manager's Notes and merge them into an acceptable document for the Stables.... for that I got zero pay and a nasty email from a couple of people but I also got a few thank you emails.... one from June Mellinger... so that must have been volunteer....
I am on the committee to update the Policies and Procedures for CRE... that is volunteer....
I wrote, published, counted, and reported the Survey last year... received zero dollars for it.... that was volunteer....
So I am so sorry... I can't tell you why I don't volunteer
