Former Trump attorney Jenna Ellis pleads guilty to election interference will testify against Trump

StmarysCity79

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WOW. The liars are really flipping fast on Trump. 4 guilty plea's so far with all agreeing to testify against Trump

"What I did not do but should have done, Your Honor, was to make sure that the facts the other lawyers alleged to be true were in fact true,” the 38-year-old Ellis said.

She rose to speak after pleading guilty, fighting back tears as she said she would have not have represented Trump after the 2020 election if she knew then what she knows now, claiming that she she relied on lawyers with much more experience than her and failed to verify the things they told her."


"Former Trump attorney Jenna Ellis has struck a plea deal with Georgia prosecutors to plead guilty in the Trump Georgia RICO case. Ellis has agreed to plead guilty to one count of aiding and abetting false statements and writings. Expect a probationary sentence like the one received by Sidney Powell and Kenneth Chesebro. Also, expect this plea deal to require Ellis to testify against Trump and the remaining co-defendants."

 
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vraiblonde

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So what? Democrat Nazis are leaning on these people to elicit a guilty plea or else.

What all of them did isn't against the law. No, really! Tell me what law they broke.
 

Dakota

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Do you know why people take pleas?

I will tell you why. It is easier to plead guilty to some nothing misdemeanor than to continue going broke fighting the big arse government with an endless pot of money. A $5,000 or $6,000 fine is nothing compared to traveling back and forth and paying a lawyer to handle your case. If this would have moved forward, a lawyer, rather LAWYERS (even more money), would have had to be prepared to address every count. It is obvious the DA's office overcharged and if it would have gone to court, the liberal jury would have convicted them.

They would have not gotten a fair trial.

I have a feeling that those who took pleas will be vindicated soon enough.
 

GURPS

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🔥 I promised to weigh in on the mounting plea deals in the Fani “Fanny” Willis Georgia state elections interference case. Is this something good? It is bad? Are lawyers starting to “flip” on Trump? Is it The End?

Answer: Sort of, no, no, and no.

Two months ago, Fulton County DA Fani Willis indicted President Trump and 18 other co-defendants (mainly conservative lawyers) of about a billion state law process crimes not requiring proof of any harm to any real person, and adding up to over 1,000 years in jail each if the defendants are convicted on all charges. It’s all related to interfering with the election, lying about election fraud, and hilariously, racketeering. This week, four defendants (so far) have signed plea deals, and social media has been a hot mess ever since debating what it all means.

The first to sign a plea agreement was Sidney Powell, and she seems to be the trailblazer, or maybe “ringleader,” of the plea group of defendants, since the agreements are similar. Let’s talk about Sidney.

Whatever else she might be, Sidney is a highly-experienced federal criminal defense attorney. She has battled the government for clients many times, including in high-profile, politically radioactive prosecutions like Alaska Senator Ted Stevens and most recently General Michael Flynn.

Sidney even wrote a book about battling the federal criminal justice machine. She’s an expert. Sidney has forgotten more about criminal law than anyone in Fanny Willis’s office knows.

Sidney understands exactly how the process works. She knows everything that is going to happen. She knows how expensive and time-consuming it will be. She knows exactly where the DA’s weak spots are. And she struck at their weak spot.

The first thing Sidney did was demand a speedy trial. That was a bold, high-risk move that 99.9% of all criminal defendants voluntarily waive. The Sixth Amendment of the Constitution requires a speedy trial, and most state criminal procedure sets that time within what looks to modern lawyers to be impossibly-short: Georgia’s Speedy Trial Act requires a trial within 90 days from arraignment.

Sidney was one of the first defendants to voluntarily turn herself in, starting the clock on her speedy trial as soon as possible.


We don’t get to see a lot of what is happening “behind the scenes,” so I will make some confident assumptions. Sidney also probably demanded all the DA’s evidence for trial as well as all its exculpatory evidence. Based on her book and her good results in other cases, Sidney is an expert at pushing the government on evidence and poking holes in their case.

I’d bet a week’s salary that Fanny Willis was not anywhere close to ready to start producing documents when Sidney Powell ambushed her office by demanding a speedy trial. Fanny probably did not see that move coming. She probably expected that the Trump defendants would do what nearly every other criminal defendant does and waive their right to a speedy trial.

In that context, Sidney (and the other defendants following her example) began negotiating a plea deal with the DA’s office. This is very common. It included lots of phone calls, emails, and probably one or more face-to-face meetings at the DA’s office. Fanny Willis and her team have lots of incentive to negotiate plea deals with the defendants. They do not want to try nineteen different high-profile defendants. They really only want Trump. It’s way too much work for the under-qualified but highly diverse Fulton County DA’s office to try 19 VIP defendants on a grab-bag of novel theories of law.

Sidney negotiated a great deal which closed the day before jury trial selection was scheduled to start, putting enormous pressure on the DA’s office to be ready for trial. The DA’s office caved.

First of all, Sidney pleaded guilty only to six misdemeanors — instead of seven felonies that were charged. She must pay a $6,000 fine, testify honestly at trial, and complete six years of probation (one year per count). But most important, her plea was entered as “deferred adjudication,” an option for first offenders, which avoids a judgment of guilty (it gets “deferred” indefinitely), and automatically results in an expunged record when the person successfully completes probation.


So Sidney is done and out. She must still testify if the case goes to trial, but she must testify honestly, and since all the charges are bogus, she will almost certainly testify honestly that nobody, including Trump, did anything meriting a felony conviction.

The “significance” of the Powell plea is that it never should have happened at all. The deal was a slap on the wrist — an easy decision for Sidney to make — but it ripped the mask off the DA’s horrible political prosecution. The DA’s office obviously didn’t think it could prove any of the serious felonies it had charged — because no crimes were committed.

However good was Sidney’s deal, she never should have had to make it. Although I would have advised her to take the deal — a no-brainer — to avoid the rest of the circus, I also would’ve understood if she wanted to force the DA to prove what it had indicted her for.

Three other defendants followed Sidney with similar plea deals, but some didn’t negotiate as well as Sidney did. For example yesterday, attorney Jenna Ellis, looking uncharacteristically disheveled and discombobulated, read a tearful, humiliating apology in open court, confessing she was duped into interfering with Joe Biden’s election in what looked remarkably like a Maoist ‘struggle session.’ It was gross, but at least now she’s out of the crosshairs. Tragic, but understandable.




 

StmarysCity79

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So what? Democrat Nazis are leaning on these people to elicit a guilty plea or else.

What all of them did isn't against the law. No, really! Tell me what law they broke.

Well perjury to start with, interfeering in an election in Ellis's case.

Sidney Powell conspiracy to commit intentional interference with performance of election duties as well as a breach of election equipment.


I'm not sure why you think any of those things are legal but you think storming the Capitol and attacking police officers is perfectly fine so your definition of legal is certainly questionable.
 

StmarysCity79

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Do you know why people take pleas?

I will tell you why. It is easier to plead guilty to some nothing misdemeanor than to continue going broke fighting the big arse government with an endless pot of money. A $5,000 or $6,000 fine is nothing compared to traveling back and forth and paying a lawyer to handle your case. If this would have moved forward, a lawyer, rather LAWYERS (even more money), would have had to be prepared to address every count. It is obvious the DA's office overcharged and if it would have gone to court, the liberal jury would have convicted them.

They would have not gotten a fair trial.

I have a feeling that those who took pleas will be vindicated soon enough.


Ellis raised over $250k from Maga idiots. She's got the money.

Then she plead guilty and now is testifying against Trump.

That's the whole point of a RICO case. The little fish testify against the big fish in exchange for lighter sentences.

What you don't know about the law should be studied.

Why is everything some great conspiracy of the government picking on poor innocent people with you?
 

Dakota

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They cannot be used in a RICO case. You come on here and act like you understand the law, which you do not at all.

All "guilty pleas" were actually deferred adjudications under Georgia's First Offender Act (§ 42-8-60) which means, as the court states below, each defendant will be "completely exonerated of guilt" if they complete probation.

This is Powell's and I am sure Ellis got the same deal.

Zero Judgments of Guilt. Zero Convictions.

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Dakota

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I've made it clear on here a few times, I am not as nice as I used to be.

People go nuts over these headlines that appeal to the big dummies without completely understanding what exactly happened. Ellis and Powell are going to testify later but to what? That they never spoke to Trump about this? It wasn't a ploy? Or maybe it was? This was no win in the long run. Just a bunch of insanity to please the left tards.
 

StmarysCity79

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The long wrong?

What does that even mean?

They have done what is know as a proffer, meaning they have recorded their statements of fact (testimony). they will now be compelled to testify against Trump or other codefendants.

If they vary from the proffer or change their testimony they will then be charged with the full amount of the crimes the government was seeking.

If they cooperate and testify the same way they have previously under oath the current lenient sentences will apply.

You simply have no understanding of how a RICO case works and what is happening.

And you have shown no proof that their testimony can't be used under the RICO rules as you claim considering all 19 defendants are being charged under the RICO act
 

Dakota

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The long wrong?

What does that even mean?

They have done what is know as a proffer, meaning they have recorded their statements of fact (testimony). they will now be compelled to testify against Trump or other codefendants.

If they vary from the proffer or change their testimony they will then be charged with the full amount of the crimes the government was seeking.

If they cooperate and testify the same way they have previously under oath the current lenient sentences will apply.

You simply have no understanding of how a RICO case works and what is happening.

And you have shown no proof that their testimony can't be used under the RICO rules as you claim considering all 19 defendants are being charged under the RICO act
I changed the word "wrong" to "run" rather quickly after posting.

I do understand RICO and I am asking you to apply your common damn sense. None of the people who have plead to lessor, PBJ type charges, were charged under RICO.

All her plea deals with those people say that they will tell the truth on the stand. She has no idea what they are going to say because she doesn't know which way Trump's defense lawyers are going to question them. She overcharged and I believe her RICO case is weak.

I want you to tell me how you think Trump is guilty under RICO when others have questioned elections before and were never charged???
 

Dakota

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This is being treated like some smoking gun gotcha moment and I am here to tell you it isn't and you know it isn't.

Simply put, it was easier to go the route they went here because the big fish they want is Trump.
 

StmarysCity79

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I changed the word "wrong" to "run" rather quickly after posting.

I do understand RICO and I am asking you to apply your common damn sense. None of the people who have plead to lessor, PBJ type charges, were charged under RICO.

All her plea deals with those people say that they will tell the truth on the stand. She has no idea what they are going to say because she doesn't know which way Trump's defense lawyers are going to question them. She overcharged and I believe her RICO case is weak.

I want you to tell me how you think Trump is guilty under RICO when others have questioned elections before and were never charged???


Do you know what a Proffer is?

It means Ellis and Powell and Chesebro have all giving their testimony under oath. So they do know what they will say on the stand and have a recording and transcript of their testimony.

If they change their testimony or vary from what they previously testified to they will be charged with perjury and the plea agreement will be revoked.


Meaning they are all testifying that Trump or another co defendant conspired to have them falsely challenge the results of the election knowing it was not true.

Kenneth John Chesebro (/ˈtʃɛzbroʊ/ CHEZ-broh;[2] born June 5, 1961) is an American attorney[3][4] known as the architect of the Trump fake electors plot[5] that conspired to overturn the 2020 U.S. presidential election. On August 14, 2023, Chesebro was indicted along with eighteen others in the Georgia election racketeering prosecution.[6]

On October 20, 2023, he pled guilty to one felony count of conspiracy to commit filing false documents.[7] As part of his plea bargain deal, Chesebro accepted five years of probation, $5,000 in restitution, 100 hours of community service, and agreed to testify against Donald Trump and the remaining defendants.[8]
Chesebro's objectives were to focus the public's attention on alleged "electoral abuses by the Democrats" and to "buy the Trump campaign more time to win litigation that would deprive Biden of electoral votes and/or add to Trump's column".[15][17][19]

The memos ultimately inspired the scheme in seven states, though Vice President Mike Pence did not accept the Trump-Pence electors and refused to participate in the scheme. Laurence Tribe, Chesebro's former mentor, would later join an ethics complaint filed with the New York Bar regarding the December 6 memo. In an article for Just Security, Tribe complained: "Chesebro completely misused part of the latest edition of my constitutional law treatise."[20]
 

StmarysCity79

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This is being treated like some smoking gun gotcha moment and I am here to tell you it isn't and you know it isn't.

Simply put, it was easier to go the route they went here because the big fish they want is Trump.


Yes. They are all flipping on the one responsible for the crime.

You think Sidney Powell had a lot to gain from this scheme?

No Trump did.

Now 4 of his codefendants have flipped and Meadows has taken immunity.

You think thats a good sign for Trump?
 

Dakota

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Powell and Ellis both had much to gain from this and you said so yourself. They took in a multiple donations. Just because they ran to investigate the elections doesn't mean it was part of some huge criminal conspiracy.

And yes Gurps, which is why I am done after this posting.

I've learned to sit back and watch things play out which is where this is at the moment. I am not sucked into headlines but rather research myself.
 

Bare-ya-cuda

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This is being treated like some smoking gun gotcha moment and I am here to tell you it isn't and you know it isn't.

Simply put, it was easier to go the route they went here because the big fish they want is Trump.
isn’t this like the 1,000th smoking gun we got him? When does it stop?
 

Gilligan

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Yes. They are all flipping on the one responsible for the crime.

You think Sidney Powell had a lot to gain from this scheme?

No Trump did.

Now 4 of his codefendants have flipped and Meadows has taken immunity.

You think thats a good sign for Trump?
:yawn:
 

Dakota

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isn’t this like the 1,000th smoking gun we got him? When does it stop?
Yep
2015 - Trump will never be president
2016 - We got Trump
2017 - We got Trump
2018 - We got Trump
2019 - We got Trump
2020 - We got Trump
2021 - We got Trump
2022 - We got Trump
2023 - We got Trump

And here we have lefties reading headlines jumping up and down thinking they really got him this time. Just like this thread started out;

The liars are really flipping fast on Trump. 4 guilty plea's so far with all agreeing to testify against Trump

Fani doesn't have a RICO case, she overcharged and although some are pleading out to lessor charges that basically disappear in time with a Proffer in the terms of the agreement doesn't mean she has a strong case against Trump at all. It is a tactic I have used in my line of work getting people to confess information I want to know. "Well, you know, I spoke to Jerome and what do you think he told me?" Oldest trick in the book, but it makes a great headline that the lefties gobble up coupled with J6 being worse that 9/11. :rolleyes:
 
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