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[OldHillcrestGuy]

Wheres the thread for the house fire this morning on New Market Turner Rd. I would have loved to hear the times as to when the units marked up on the air. The first due company marked up at least 20 minutes after it was dispatched also the first due ladder truck. Thank goodness for Charles County. If it had been a working house fire, that house would have been on the ground once the engine from Hughesville had used up its water. I dont know what it turned out to be but once all the fire trucks had left, the homeowner called them back within 5 minutes of clearing.

 

[G1G4]

Hey man, I couldn't help it! Some of us had a Snow Emergency Plan in place.

I can check the CAD tonight if you want, and get back with the times.

 

[OldHillcrestGuy]

Sure. That call was messed up from the start, I heard St Marys dispatch it, when Charles put it out they said for EMS 2, then they corrected themselves I guess they proably got a call from station 2 (HVFD) cause as soon as they corrected themselves and cancelled EMS 2 and then dispatched Co 2 for the engine, Engine 23 marked up. After the units failed from St. Mary's on the intial dispatch and at the 5 minute mark they put Benedict for the pumper/tanker and LaPlata for the ladder truck. Both of these marked up at about the 5 minute mark. LaPlata truck was on the road for awhile when Hollywood Truck 7 marked up, St. Marys then turns around and puts LaPlata in service, they had to have been almost half way across Rt. 6, in the area of the bridges when they were turned around, a whole lot closer then Hollywood.:shrug:
I wonder if the Chief was working communications when this call went out. He must have been wondering when his engine was going to markup, if he was working bet he called the firehouse asking what was up. Had that been a working fire there would have been no chance to save it. Scarry cause I live in their first due, by about 300 ft.

 

[G1G4]

Chief wasn't working communications this morning. He worked yesterday, and the 6 PM shift was probably on when the call when out (sounded like they were there until a little after 10 today).
With that said, if they called Benedict for the pumper-tanker, it sounds like Hollywood failed on the initial to get both pieces out. The dispatch procedure for a house (or chimney fire now) for St. Mary's is three engine companies, a truck and an ambulance. For New-Market Turner Rd, it would be 2/22 for the engines, Charles 2 for the engine and 7 for the engine/truck.
They put La Plata in service because we try to keep mutual aide out of the county as much as possible. No knock or gripe on the mutual aide, but we (and the dispatchers) want us to be self-sufficient. We'd like Charles units to stay in Charles for their first due, and Calvert to stay in Calvert, especially with special service units. Yes, La Plata was closer, and yes, they can tell the dispatchers where they are. That's the best thing to do. If they try to put you in service, tell the dispatcher 'I'm at X and X.' Dispatcher will look it up, see your closer and tell you to continue in and return whatever unit was late to mark up.
It's complicated anymore, but it sounds like Mechanicsville did get atleast one piece out.

 

[clevalley]

Sure. That call was messed up from the start, I heard St Marys dispatch it, when Charles put it out they said for EMS 2, then they corrected themselves I guess they proably got a call from station 2 (HVFD) cause as soon as they corrected themselves and cancelled EMS 2 and then dispatched Co 2 for the engine, Engine 23 marked up....

I heard the dispatch for the EMS on the fire and was like "WTF, I know I have been gone for a while but the assignments should not have changed that much"

 

[G1G4]

I heard the dispatch for the EMS on the fire and was like "WTF, I know I have been gone for a while but the assignments should not have changed that much"

 

[OldHillcrestGuy]

Chief wasn't working communications this morning. He worked yesterday, and the 6 PM shift was probably on when the call when out (sounded like they were there until a little after 10 today).
With that said, if they called Benedict for the pumper-tanker, it sounds like Hollywood failed on the initial to get both pieces out. The dispatch procedure for a house (or chimney fire now) for St. Mary's is three engine companies, a truck and an ambulance. For New-Market Turner Rd, it would be 2/22 for the engines, Charles 2 for the engine and 7 for the engine/truck.
They put La Plata in service because we try to keep mutual aide out of the county as much as possible. No knock or gripe on the mutual aide, but we (and the dispatchers) want us to be self-sufficient. We'd like Charles units to stay in Charles for their first due, and Calvert to stay in Calvert, especially with special service units. Yes, La Plata was closer, and yes, they can tell the dispatchers where they are. That's the best thing to do. If they try to put you in service, tell the dispatcher 'I'm at X and X.' Dispatcher will look it up, see your closer and tell you to continue in and return whatever unit was late to mark up.
It's complicated anymore, but it sounds like Mechanicsville did get atleast one piece out.

Actually it did go out 2/22 then Charles 2, I just group 2/22 together, 22 doesnt hit the road very often, no crews down there. That station is nothing more then a garage for all their appartus.IMO Guess they have filled it up now because, now they want to build another at Chaptico Park.

 

[Baja28]

Jesus don't let that ditz who biatched about it taking 15 minutes to get to 234 here this. She'll burst a vein!

 

[OldHillcrestGuy]

Jesus don't let that ditz who biatched about it taking 15 minutes to get to 234 here this. She'll burst a vein!

I remember her.

 

[G1G4]

Actually it did go out 2/22 then Charles 2, I just group 2/22 together, 22 doesnt hit the road very often, no crews down there. That station is nothing more then a garage for all their appartus.IMO Guess they have filled it up now because, now they want to build another at Chaptico Park.

They replaced 22 then, that would still make sense. I'll still find out the times for you and get them to you sometime this evening or tomorrow. They're trying to rebuild interest in 22. They've elected a deputy chief there (Keith Hemming), and 222 actually spends time there now. They can't do too much when most of their members want to be at the main house.
As far as getting another substation, I highly doubt that'll happen.

 

[OldHillcrestGuy]

They replaced 22 then, that would still make sense. I'll still find out the times for you and get them to you sometime this evening or tomorrow. They're trying to rebuild interest in 22. They've elected a deputy chief there (Keith Hemming), and 222 actually spends time there now. They can't do too much when most of their members want to be at the main house.
As far as getting another substation, I highly doubt that'll happen.

Yeah Station 22 is really kind of isloated, I remember a time when there use to be several working house fires in Golden Beach during a years time. Heck they barely, and thats a just barely have a commercial building in the first due, and you know who can easily beat them in there if any of them did catch fire. If they were ever able to build at Chapitco Park, that place would be deserted also (at least with members hanging around) at least you'd have Stone's Store and Chapitco Market to hang out at.
That area needs a station and would be 10 times busier then the Golden Beach Station and would run into Charles alot.
I still have a hard time figuring out how (I have never figured the mileage) Mechcanicsville is closer to the 301/234 intersection then Hughesville is when there is a major incident in the Newburg area and their Squad runs before Hughesville's squad is due.

 

[mdff21]

They put La Plata in service because we try to keep mutual aide out of the county as much as possible. No knock or gripe on the mutual aide, but we (and the dispatchers) want us to be self-sufficient. We'd like Charles units to stay in Charles for their first due, and Calvert to stay in Calvert, especially with special service units. Yes, La Plata was closer, and yes, they can tell the dispatchers where they are.

Do the County Commissioners know that you are jeopardizing the citizens of St. Mary's County? We don't want a Charles or Calvert County company that is 5 miles closer to respond, we want our own to handle the call. I feel sorry for that heart attack victim that has gone into cardiac arrest at McKay's Plaza. Hughesvilles Medic isn't dispatched because we want Mechanicsville Rescue to handle it. Maybe the people at Town Creek will wonder shy Solomons which is about 2 miles away isn't coming across the bridge because we want Bay District to handle it. All I can say is WOW, sure am glad I don't live near the county's borders!!!

 

[OldHillcrestGuy]

Do the County Commissioners know that you are jeopardizing the citizens of St. Mary's County? We don't want a Charles or Calvert County company that is 5 miles closer to respond, we want our own to handle the call. I feel sorry for that heart attack victim that has gone into cardiac arrest at McKay's Plaza. Hughesvilles Medic isn't dispatched because we want Mechanicsville Rescue to handle it. Maybe the people at Town Creek will wonder shy Solomons which is about 2 miles away isn't coming across the bridge because we want Bay District to handle it. All I can say is WOW, sure am glad I don't live near the county's borders!!!

I think what G1G4 is trying to say is that if at all possible they like to put the mutual aid companies back in service as quickly as the situation will allow. Now of course if its a working fire they are not going to put them in service they will either use them on the scene if needed or ask them to fill a station.
A EMS call is a bit different, in the Northern end of St. Marys if its a priority 1 call, subject not breathing, caridac arrest type call, Hughesville's ALS Career Crew will normally be put on the intial dispatch for the medic if avaliable up to a certain point in the Mechcanicsville area. If the Medic Crew from Hughesville may be tied up on another call the BLS unit from Hughesville would be dispatched. Same with the Budds Creek area the Career Medic Crew from Newberg would respond if no other medic unit in St Marys is closer.
With the lack of volunteers anymore, depending on what time of day it is, crews can be sometimes hard to put together. Firefighters always like a good fire to fight and should a fire break out in their first due while they are away mutual aiding with someone else, they might be the only crew avaliable, you feel bad if you cant respond in your first due to someone who's been supporting your department over the years thru donations and in a time of need you cant be there for them.

 

[G1G4]

Do the County Commissioners know that you are jeopardizing the citizens of St. Mary's County? We don't want a Charles or Calvert County company that is 5 miles closer to respond, we want our own to handle the call. I feel sorry for that heart attack victim that has gone into cardiac arrest at McKay's Plaza. Hughesvilles Medic isn't dispatched because we want Mechanicsville Rescue to handle it. Maybe the people at Town Creek will wonder shy Solomons which is about 2 miles away isn't coming across the bridge because we want Bay District to handle it. All I can say is WOW, sure am glad I don't live near the county's borders!!!

You didn't read what I say and you take it way too personal. I didn't say we don't want any mutual aide responding in to the county. I said we want to LIMIT the amount of units coming into the county, simply because of the fact that we feel our own units can handle whatever is going on. Of course if it's a cardiac patient at McKays, Hughesville should be on it. Why should they be on it? McKay's plaza is what, a mile from their station? Whereas Mechanicsville is 5 or so miles away.
Let's say Waldorf's truck is out of service. Commercial building fire gets put out at the Veteran's Home. Truck 7 is added. Truck 7 fails to get out. La Plata Truck 1 is added. Units get on scene and advise a light smoke/haze in the building, and to keep units coming. La Plata Truck 1 goes out at the dispatch. Truck 7 marks up five minutes or so later, and is still further out than Truck 1. Truck 1 stays on the box. A working house fire with subjects trapped is put out on Burnt Store Road. Meanwhile as Truck 1 is arriving on scene five minutes or so later, Command advises the haze is coming from an overheated furnace and places all units on scene in service. Now, your down a special service that could be used as S&R and could potentially save someone's life because of a b/s call in another county.
I wasn't saying we need to keep all other units out because we're letting our pride get to our heads. I was saying we WANT and NEED to be a self sufficient county because we have top apparatus, generally a decent amount of people at most houses in the county, and we can usually get the job done.

 

[G1G4]

OHG, I also got your times for what you requested. The call was dispatched at 0547. The first unit from 2/22 marked up at 0554 (E-224), two minutes after the challenge time. So, the additional from Benedict was requested. 24 then marked up at 0608 with 6 personnel.

 

[OldHillcrestGuy]

OHG, I also got your times for what you requested. The call was dispatched at 0547. The first unit from 2/22 marked up at 0554 (E-224), two minutes after the challenge time. So, the additional from Benedict was requested. 24 then marked up at 0608 with 6 personnel.

I didnt hear 224 markup, I was right about the other unit 21 minutes later. Thanks. Think that also applied to the first due truck also.

Fire turned out to be inslulation around a wood stove pipe. Was some type of hole in the pipe. Very very minor damage or fire.

 

[G1G4]

You were right about the first due engine company and first due truck. The assignment went out as 2/22, Charles 2, Truck 7, 29 for the ambulance. Ambulances 297 and 299 marked up within a minute or so of the dispatch, with Charles 23 soon after. Charles 23 went on the scene, side a? single story, single family, nothing evident. By that time, they challenged 2, 22 and Truck 7. All three failed. Charles 5 was added, along with Charles Truck 1. A minute after that, 224 marked up, followed by Charles Truck 1, then Truck 7, THEN Engine 24.