You pay in and they will take care of you.
BZZZT. Try again.
You pay in and they will take care of you.
Curious if they think the United States would defend them, provide Coast Guard support or send aid for earthquakes and national disasters.
Gavin Newsome is looking for help paying for wildfire destruction.
Most of that which burned most recently were federal lands, not state of CA lands.
the queen of denial has spoken........but she still wants uncle sugar to steal someone else’s money and give it to her when she retires.BZZZT. Try again.
but she still wants uncle sugar to steal someone else’s money and give it to her when she retires.
I know exactly how it works. They take money from people who work (tax) and give it to people who aren’t working (entitlement).So you just flat admit that you don't know how Social Security is supposed to work.
Tell me, when you make a claim on your car insurance do you think you're stealing it from the insurance company? When you go to the doctor and use your health insurance to pay for it, do you think you're stealing from them?
So you just flat admit that you don't know how Social Security is supposed to work.
Tell me, when you make a claim on your car insurance do you think you're stealing it from the insurance company? When you go to the doctor and use your health insurance to pay for it, do you think you're stealing from them?
The latter is insurance and that is how it works. The former depends on the government committing theft on your behalf.
Not a good analogy at all.
Old-Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance
It's a perfect analogy.
No it’s not. And repeating the same thing you already have tried to get away with doesn’t make it a perfect analogy.
The fact that government calls it insurance (a) doesn’t make it actual insurance; and (b) doesn’t make your analogy a good one.
Is the government legally required to keep the theft program going in perpetuity? If the government shuts down socialist insecurity are they required to pay out to you? Hell, they can even means test people out of the program.
How in the flying hell is that insurance in any way, shape, or form?
If the insurance company goes under, they are not required to pay you back for your premiums. Hell, if your retirement fund company goes under, you are SOL and not getting your money back.
I agree with you - it was a huge pyramid scheme to begin with with no way of sustaining it and keeping it solvent. But in fact it was meant to be a retirement insurance plan and that is supposed to be how it works. It's not "welfare", which is what MR keeps insisting, and the recipient isn't "stealing" someone else's money.
Yea, that’s how insurance works. If you don’t use it, that’s that. But having that feature in common with SS still doesn’t make it insurance.
It is absolutely welfare. The recipient isn’t stealing; that would be a crime. The government is the only entity allowed to steal with no repercussions. And the government is in fact stealing — need proof? Ask yourself this: is socialist insecurity voluntary? If not (and it’s not) then that equates to theft since you do not have a choice.
You can sugarcoat it anyway you like but it doesn’t make it not theft.
Then I'm guessing you think paying income tax or sales tax or any other tax is theft as well?
Income tax, of course; it's not voluntary. Think of it this way: If instead of our marginal, progressive income tax system we have, the government absconded with 99% of your income, not marginal rate, but 99%. Would that be theft? If so, why are lesser amounts not theft? Just because they don't hurt "as bad" as 99% would?
Sales tax, no, as purchases are voluntary (and a huge part of why I support the FairTax as a way to fund government). Other taxes? ....
Let me give you the framework you need to evaluate this question for anything: IS IT VOLUNTARY?
End of framework.
Insurance is voluntary and you have a contract with your provider that you can change.It's a perfect analogy. Do you think that when your doctor bill gets paid, it's out of money you personally paid in premiums?
@Midnightrider ? Do YOU think that money you get from the insurance company if you wreck your car is money you personally paid in?
Do you think when you retire and start taking money out of your IRA, those are the exact same dollars you contributed?
Social Security and Medicare are indeed government managed insurance policies,a nd that is exactly what they were designed to be. You pay your premiums each month, your employer contributes, and when it's your turn to retire you get a monthly check, and you get your medical costs taken care of or at least partially paid. Paying your SS and Med contributions are not theft any more than the insurance company is a thief when you pay that premium.
OASDI. That is the official name of what we call "Social Security". Guess what that stands for?
Old-Age, Survivors, and Disability Insurance
Insurance is voluntary
They also get to unilaterally decide how much they take from you AND to reduce your ‘benefits’ whenever they want.