Gays Mock Jesus with Last Supper Take-Off

[Novus Collectus]

Novus, no offense but you're starting to jump the shark here.

Can you be specific?

 

[bcp]

Novus, no offense but you're starting to jump the shark here.

was it at least a female shark?

he is still single you know.

 

[PsyOps]

I think I can sum up what I am trying to say with a reply to this:

The word "god" in the pledge is singular, not plural. Not only are there atheists, but there are religions which have many gods and there are religions that have no gods.

By removing the clause doesn’t anymore state that I can’t practice my faith than having it in there forces you to observe a faith. From that respect I wouldn’t really care if it was removed.

Being that this is not an enforcable law it by no means establishes a religion.

Here is an interesting part I read on the wiki explanation of the Lemon test:

Lemon's future is somewhat uncertain. Sustained criticism by conservative Justices such as Antonin Scalia and Clarence Thomas, lack of a clear reaffirmation of the central tenets of Lemon over the years since the 1980s, and inconsistent application in major Establishment Clause cases has led some legal commentators and lower court judges to believe that Lemon's days are numbered, and that the Court has implicitly left the decision of whether to apply the test in a specific case up to lower courts. This has resulted in a patchwork pattern of enforcement in circuit courts across the nation; while some courts apply Lemon in all or most cases, others apply it in few or none. The Supreme Court itself has applied the Lemon test as recently as Santa Fe Independent School District v. Doe, 530 U.S. 290 (2000).

 

[Novus Collectus]

was it at least a female shark?

he is still single you know.

Uh oh, my ichthyparaphilia has been revealed.

 

[PsyOps]

Doesn't offend me at all, I don't say it, neither does our daughter.

No harm no foul then. All is happy.

 

[Novus Collectus]

I think I can sum up what I am trying to say with a reply to this:



By removing the clause doesn’t anymore state that I can’t practice my faith than having it in there forces you to observe a faith. From that respect I wouldn’t really care if it was removed.

Being that this is not an enforcable law it by no means establishes a religion.

Establishing is not what the First says. When parsed it uses the word "an" before establishment which means any law with any establishment of religious beliefs as it's result. It does not mean a national church that cannot be established, it means anything that has to do with establishing anything religious.
Passing a law that states the United States is a monotheistic nation is a form of establishment whether there is a government church established or not.

Now if the First said "the establishment of religion", then that would have an entirely different meaning.

Oh, and about the Lemon test, there is already stare decisis on this. The prayer before the shool game decision is pretty strong.

 

[CAPPY2609]

I personally would not be wanting to stand to close to any of the people who did this.

Historically, God doesn't take kindly to being mocked. Jesus being mocked is going to shorten a lot of lives... I am so happy there is forgiveness... I hope they find it soon...

I'm glad to be fearful... I'm happy that I don't have to worry about any of this... I feel sorry for them and their families... it's heartbreaking in my opinion....

Why the hell would god care about a painting when so much REAL horror occurs every second of our lives, child molestation, rape, murder, thieving, brutality, ethnic cleansing, war, poverty.... 50 bucks worth of paint isnt going to send lightning bolts crashing out of the sky.
You religious nuts like to focus on crap that only fans your flames brighter but offers no real heat. 2 hands working, can accomplish more that a thousand hands clasped in prayer or holding bibles.

 

[itsbob]

A seven year old has attained the age of reason. They are responsible for their souls and should have known about God long before seven.

So anyone over the age of seven, having reached the "age of reason", should be tried as an adult for any and all transgressions??

 

[residentofcre]

Why the hell would god care about a painting when so much REAL horror occurs every second of our lives, child molestation, rape, murder, thieving, brutality, ethnic cleansing, war, poverty.... 50 bucks worth of paint isnt going to send lightning bolts crashing out of the sky.
You religious nuts like to focus on crap that only fans your flames brighter but offers no real heat. 2 hands working, can accomplish more that a thousand hands clasped in prayer or holding bibles.

Beep Beep back up the truck there CAPPY.... I get your point about the two hands working but one prayer is so much bigger... I prefer to put them together... but that's not what we're talking about... My comment was on the danger of Mocking the Almighty God....

I do speak out about those issues too... but making fun of Jesus and the gospel is a little over the top. Like I said GOD [big G] doesn't like to be mocked. Ever hear the stories of Sodom or the story of Levi's sons? God opens the ground and brings on earthquakes... Even the scientists will tell you that SF is in a likely place for earthquakes... why mock Jesus?

Bible thumping, Jesus freak... hey I've been called a lot worse... matter of fact I'm glad to be called that.... but even if I wasn't way over on the right I'm sure most people shouldn't be mocking a God that has been known to slay complete armies [Egypt].

As a matter of fact... if you ever see me standing beside you at the cash register at Walmart... please let me know so I can back away... no way I'm taking a chance on getting knocked down by the thunderbolt that might come after someone who thinks mocking the Almighty is ok...

Just saying I'm happy to be fearful...

 

[itsbob]

Like I said GOD [big G] doesn't like to be mocked. Ever hear the stories of Sodom or the story of Levi's sons? God opens the ground and brings on earthquakes... Even the scientists will tell you that SF is in a likely place for earthquakes... why mock Jesus?

Who was the last person YOU knew that was turned into a pillar of salt??

And are you sugggesting there are no Christians in San Fran??

Are you also a believer that the Tsunami hit where it did because they weren't Chrsitian.. Or New Orelans being a den of Sin.. that's the reason for the Hurricane??

 

[bcp]

lets get back to the original theme here.
what we have are a bunch of guys that CHOOSE to live a certain lifestyle trying to force others to accept it as normal.
those that dont accept it as normal are subject to ridicule.
personally I dont care what they do with the image of Jesus. their time will come.
Just dont expect me to view it with them, or to shed a tear if they happen to be struck down by an earthquake while performing their acts of debauchery.

 

[residentofcre]

Who was the last person YOU knew that was turned into a pillar of salt??

And are you sugggesting there are no Christians in San Fran??

Are you also a believer that the Tsunami hit where it did because they weren't Chrsitian.. Or New Orelans being a den of Sin.. that's the reason for the Hurricane??

You make a good point... but still I'm not going to run out with a target on my back or stand next to one either....

I'm still sticking with don't mock the Almighty...

 

[Vince]

You make a good point... but still I'm not going to run out with a target on my back or stand next to one either....

I'm still sticking with don't mock the Almighty...

Talking to cappy and bob about God? You might as well talk to a brick wall. For any and every argument you come up with for God, they will come up with something against. These are people that will never believe. Not my problem, but it will be their problem someday. :shrug: Life doesn't go on forever and someday...............

 

[PsyOps]

Establishing is not what the First says. When parsed it uses the word "an" before establishment which means any law with any establishment of religious beliefs as it's result. It does not mean a national church that cannot be established, it means anything that has to do with establishing anything religious.
Passing a law that states the United States is a monotheistic nation is a form of establishment whether there is a government church established or not.

Now if the First said "the establishment of religion", then that would have an entirely different meaning.

Oh, and about the Lemon test, there is already stare decisis on this. The prayer before the shool game decision is pretty strong.

I think you are misinterpreting this. The word “an” and the word “the” (in this case) can be used interchangeably. Your use of the word “establishment” is in the context of “An arranged order or system” . The intent of the word by the framers was meant as “The act of establishing". It can be understood either way, but the intent, it’s clear the framers were talking about the government not establishing a religion rather than a set of beliefs.

Here from wiki again:

The Establishment Clause of the First Amendment prohibits the establishment of a national religion by Congress or the preference of one religion over another, or religion over non-religion.

And from here :

At an absolute minimum, the Establishment Clause was intended to prohibit the federal government from declaring and financially supporting a national religion, such as existed in many other countries at the time of the nation's founding. It is far less clear whether the Establishment Clause was also intended to prevent the federal government from supporting Christianity in general. Proponents of a narrow interpretation of the clause point out that the same First Congress that proposed the Bill of Rights also opened its legislative day with prayer and voted to apportion federal dollars to establish Christian missions in the Indian lands.

And here from Britannica:

Clause in the 1st Amendment to the U.S. Constitution forbidding Congress from establishing a state religion. It prevents the passage of any law that gives preference to or forces belief in any one religion. It is paired with a clause that prohibits limiting the free expression of religion.

To a certain degree I understand how the “under God” clause could be construed as the government promoting and encouraging religion but it does not force or coerce anyone to abide by any religious tenets. There is no enforceable law that stipulates a penalty for not citing the “under God” clause or the pledge itself. Therefore it does not ESTABLISH a religion.

 

[Pete]

Why are you guys debating laws, the constitution, the definition of "an" and getting all down in the weeds? This was a classless, tasteless passive aggressive insult to millions of Christians because the extreme part of the gay community is mad because Christians are not accepting of 2 guys jamming rubber fists up each others asses.

Seems pretty clear to me :shrug: It isn't against the law, doesn't violate the constitution and if you get right down too it it "hurts" no one. Most Christians just shrug and say "See, they are the filthy pigs we always thought they were." and go on with their lives. Some are going to get upset and rail about it some are going to pray the homosexuals see "the light".

This isn't about any broken rule of law it is about the broken law of decency and respect. I am not religious but I feel no compulsion to denigrate religious people, nor do I go out of my way to denigrate gay people even though I think homosexuality is wrong. It's no skin off me and it is not like bands of renegade Christians are traveling around Market Street beheading gays.

And another thing, what is it that makes some people so easy to "offend"? I say the pledge on occasion including the "Under God" part and I have to say if you are so offended that you can't either just say it or just skip over it there is something wrong and you should seek help.

What a fine ass mess we have here. Half the damn country is stinking offended by everything and crying about it, and the rest have no class and think it is funny going over the top and trying to offend everybody. Liberals thing it is funny or defensible and conservatives run around pointing out other things to be offended by.

I am starting my own country, whiners, extremists and freaks need not apply for citizenship.

 

[PrchJrkr]

I am starting my own country, whiners, extremists and freaks need not apply for citizenship and if they do happen to slip in under the radar, they WILL be tazed to death!

:fixed:

 

[PsyOps]

Why are you guys debating laws, the constitution, the definition of "an" and getting all down in the weeds?

I'm not sure how any of these debates get shifted to other subjects. They just do. Is there something wrong with that or are you just offended by it?

 

[Pete]

I'm not sure how any of these debates get shifted to other subjects. They just do. Is there something wrong with that or are you just offended by it?

Oh now I am offended and I am calling on all members to boycott your posts for 30 days.

 

[PsyOps]

Oh now I am offended and I am calling on all members to boycott your posts for 30 days.

Crap, now what am I going to do?

 

[CAPPY2609]

Beep Beep back up the truck there CAPPY.... I get your point about the two hands working but one prayer is so much bigger... I prefer to put them together... but that's not what we're talking about... My comment was on the danger of Mocking the Almighty God....

I do speak out about those issues too... but making fun of Jesus and the gospel is a little over the top. Like I said GOD [big G] doesn't like to be mocked. Ever hear the stories of Sodom or the story of Levi's sons? God opens the ground and brings on earthquakes... Even the scientists will tell you that SF is in a likely place for earthquakes... why mock Jesus?

Bible thumping, Jesus freak... hey I've been called a lot worse... matter of fact I'm glad to be called that.... but even if I wasn't way over on the right I'm sure most people shouldn't be mocking a God that has been known to slay complete armies [Egypt].

As a matter of fact... if you ever see me standing beside you at the cash register at Walmart... please let me know so I can back away... no way I'm taking a chance on getting knocked down by the thunderbolt that might come after someone who thinks mocking the Almighty is ok...

Just saying I'm happy to be fearful...

I'm glad fear keeps your faith in check.
Obey the state.
Produce revenue.
Praise his name.
you down with OPP?