Gee, Alec Baldwin sure dodged a bullet....

GregV814

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go ahead, you can say it....

well, he cried on script..... and he will benefit from "go fund me", but if he was a police officer, he'd lose his pension.... Hey, I m sure he will be blacklisted from Hollywood.... I see the judge being appointed to the Supreme Court...... oh, is the victim still dead? sheeeesh I forget HER name.... quick, whats her name?????

Will The View, and/or Stepenhopolus (?) interview him?...will Biden pardon him??

So many questions.
 

vraiblonde

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It was a shaky case anyway since the prop gal or armorer or whatever was responsible for making sure the guns were safe, not Alec Baldwin. Had prosecution not withheld the ammo report, it would have likely been a not guilty verdict.

I loathe Baldwin and his creepy wife, but this was probably the correct resolution.
 
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WingsOfGold

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It was a shaky case anyway since the prop gal or armorer or whatever was responsible for making sure the guns were safe, not Alec Baldwin. Had prosecution not withheld the ammo report, it would have likely been a not guilty verdict.

I loathe Baldwin and his creepy wife, but this was probably the correct resolution.
if convicted would SNL had Trump playing him crying?
 

vraiblonde

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NOPE, ultimately the person ' using ' the weapon is the final responsible person, and You NEVER point a weapon at anyone else, producers use camera angles to make it appear to be pointed at another actor

Mmm, I liken it to treating a Super Soaker like a lethal weapon, and we point those at people and shoot them all the time.

The gun was supposed to be loaded with blanks. It wasn't. That's the armorer's fault and I believe she was sentenced to prison.

Now I personally wouldn't trust someone handing me a gun and saying, "Don't worry, they're blanks." But this was on a movie set and there's a certain amount of trust one would have with their professional crew. I don't think Alec Baldwin or any other actor knows enough about anything to test every single aspect of their scenes - they just do as they're told. Baldwin isn't even the director of this movie, he's just a co-producer and actor.

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vraiblonde

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and you ignore the 2nd point NEVER POINT A WEAPON AT ANYONE

If it's not supposed to be lethal - loaded with blanks - is it still a weapon?

What do we define as a "weapon"? Just something that *can* kill or injure you? Or something that's purpose is to injure or kill you?
 

stgislander

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If it's not supposed to be lethal - loaded with blanks - is it still a weapon?

What do we define as a "weapon"? Just something that *can* kill or injure you? Or something that's purpose is to injure or kill you?
Just ask Jon-Erik Hexum.
 

GURPS

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If it's not supposed to be lethal - loaded with blanks - is it still a weapon?

Semantics you are playing word games ... the Rules or guidelines are never point a Weapon / firearm / Blank Firing Gun at anyone
These were implemented after Brandon Lee was shot during the filming of The Crow ...

1. a bullet was logged in the barrel of a .44 Magnum from, firing reduced load cartridges
2. the set Armor failed to check the weapon for obstructions
3. subsequently firing full power blanks dislodged the bullet killing Brandon Lee


What do we define as a "weapon"? Just something that *can* kill or injure you? Or something that's purpose is to injure or kill you?

The Firearm used by Alec Baldwin was not a Prop Gun with a solid or reduced diameter barrel designed to shoot blanks ....
but an actual Colt .45 Single Action Army Revolver

Also Baldwin was the Producer, it is my understanding he was cutting all sorts of corners, cheapening out on qualified staff the Armor was largely inexperienced A perspex shield is supposed to be between the camera crew and ANY actor firing a weapon.
Revolvers to not ' go off by themselves, you have to pull back the hammer and pull the trigger or a double action revolver has a REALLY LONG TRIGGER PULL, you know what you are doing, you are not making that move unaware.
No one should have had LIVE rounds on set, the day before several cast / set workers took this weapon out and were firing live rounds



well apparently their are no Hard and Fast Rules .... only guidelines



Perhaps the closest to a list of suggested rules is that published by the Industry-Wide Labor-Management Safety Committee.
Its advice includes:
  • Blanks can kill. Treat all firearms as though they are loaded
  • Refrain from pointing a firearm at yourself or anyone else
  • Never place your finger on the trigger unless you're ready to shoot
  • Anyone involved in using a firearm must be thoroughly briefed at an on-set safety meeting
  • Only a qualified person should load a firearm
  • Protective shields, eye and hearing protection should be used by anyone in close proximity or the line of fire
  • Any actor who is required to stand near the line of fire should be allowed to witness the loading of the firearms
But the committee points out its guidelines are "not binding laws or regulations" and, as Prof Leonard says, its safety document appears to have been last revised in 2003.



I am basing me information from several articles I posted at the time of the shooting when the story broke.



these are not those articles

Alec Baldwin among those responsible for checking gun, ‘Rust’ crew member says



A location manager for “Rust” says at least four people were responsible for checking the weapon that killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins — including gun-firing star Alec Baldwin.

She noted that the armorist, assistant director and the key grip are supposed to “check the gun … no matter what’s going on on set.

“And then very lastly, the actor checks the gun,” she said of Baldwin, who was also one of the movie’s executive producers.

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Mickey-Evans noted how Gutierrez Reed — a 24-year-old former model in charge of weapons for only her second time — was “very young.

“Does that mean that she was the one that messed up? Not necessarily,” Mickey-Evans insisted, ticking off the list of other people including Baldwin who should have checked the gun.


Alec Baldwin’s ‘Rust’ gun left unattended for 2 hours before Halyna Hutchins was fatally shot


The gun that killed cinematographer Halyna Hutchins on the New Mexico set of “Rust” was left unattended for two hours before the fatal shooting, according to a new report.

Lawyers for the western film’s armorer said the .45 Long Colt, which was not supposed to contain live rounds, could have thus been tampered with before it was handed to actor Alec Baldwin Oct. 21, the New York Times said.

Jason Bowles, an attorney for 24-year-old movie armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed, told the outlet the weapon was one of three on an armorer’s tray that she handed to assistant director David Halls, who then gave it Baldwin.

Robert Gorence, another attorney for Gutierrez-Reed, told the outlet that she loaded the guns with dummy rounds for an afternoon filming session, placed socks over them to prevent passersby from picking them up, and went off to lunch.

“Was there a duty to safeguard them 24/7?” Gorence said. “The answer is no, because there were no live rounds.”
 

BOP

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If it's not supposed to be lethal - loaded with blanks - is it still a weapon?

What do we define as a "weapon"? Just something that *can* kill or injure you? Or something that's purpose is to injure or kill you?
People have put acid in Super Soakers *cough*Taliban*cough*
 

Kyle

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WingsOfGold

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Mmm, I liken it to treating a Super Soaker like a lethal weapon, and we point those at people and shoot them all the time.

The gun was supposed to be loaded with blanks. It wasn't. That's the armorer's fault and I believe she was sentenced to prison.

Now I personally wouldn't trust someone handing me a gun and saying, "Don't worry, they're blanks." But this was on a movie set and there's a certain amount of trust one would have with their professional crew. I don't think Alec Baldwin or any other actor knows enough about anything to test every single aspect of their scenes - they just do as they're told. Baldwin isn't even the director of this movie, he's just a co-producer and actor.

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Both at fault
 

GURPS

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Alec Baldwin Just Got Off On A Technicality For The Rust Shooting & Can't Be Tried Again​







 
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