General Hayden says Plame was Covert Agent

[forestal]

Maybe Larry can believe now.

Loose Libbys Sink Shippys


Update at 10:29 a.m. ET. She was "covert:"

The question of whether Plame was a "covert" agent when her identity was revealed in 2003 has been greatly debated. The issue is important because leaking the name of a "covert" agent violates a specific law designed to protect such operatives.

Committee Chairman Henry Waxman, D-Calif., just said he has been told by the CIA, in a statement authorized by CIA Director Gen. Michael Hayden, that "Miss Wilson's CIA employment status was covert." (Plame does go by the name Valerie Wilson, but is most often referred to in the media as Valerie Plame, her maiden name, because that is how she first came to be known when her name was leaked.)

 

[donbarzini]

Do you pay attention to ANYTHING???

It was Armitage. Not Libby.

 

[Lenny]

Do you pay attention to ANYTHING???

It was Armitage. Not Libby.

Facts and truth only confuse him when he's on a rant. Just ignore it and enjoy the show.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Facts and truth only confuse him when he's on a rant. Just ignore it and enjoy the show.

foreststool is more stupid that JPC, Sr. and that is saying something.

 

[hvp05]

foreststool is more stupid that JPC, Sr. and that is saying something.

Yeah, after he was beaten JPC never returned. Forestal is beaten every day, but no end is currently in sight.

 

[Larry Gude]

Huh...

Maybe Larry can believe now.

Loose Libbys Sink Shippys


Update at 10:29 a.m. ET. She was "covert:"

The question of whether Plame was a "covert" agent when her identity was revealed in 2003 has been greatly debated. The issue is important because leaking the name of a "covert" agent violates a specific law designed to protect such operatives.

Committee Chairman Henry Waxman, D-Calif., just said he has been told by the CIA, in a statement authorized by CIA Director Gen. Michael Hayden, that "Miss Wilson's CIA employment status was covert." (Plame does go by the name Valerie Wilson, but is most often referred to in the media as Valerie Plame, her maiden name, because that is how she first came to be known when her name was leaked.)

...maybe you better convince Fitzgerald. He's the prosecutor chose to not prosecute the person who blew Plames cover.

 

[Larry Gude]

I wonder if Armitage...

"The harm that is done when a CIA cover is blown is grave," she added. "The concept is obvious. ... It jeopardizes and destroys networks of foreign agents. ... Lives are literally at stake."

...will get away with it? So far, so good.

 

[Larry Gude]

Uh oh...

...looks like we gotta get the Russians and Cubans indicted too...

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040722-115439-4033r.htm

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

...maybe you better convince Fitzgerald. He's the prosecutor chose to not prosecute the person who blew Plames cover.

Uh, I heard Mr. Fitzgerald say she was covert. :shrug:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/10/28/AR2005102801340_pf.html

I call it as I see it.

 

[vraiblonde]

Uh, I heard Mr. Fitzgerald say she was covert.

Then why wouldn't he have gone after Armitage instead of bothering with Libby?

 

[forestal]

Possibly her cover was blown without the law being broken. Things are slowly coming out. I'm taking it one day at a time. For now I'm happy to convince everyone that she was indeed covert. We'll see about the law being broken later.

What isn't in doubt is the damage that was done to the CIA by the Bush Administration trying to strike back at people exposing their lies.

...maybe you better convince Fitzgerald. He's the prosecutor chose to not prosecute the person who blew Plames cover.

 

[forestal]

Yeh, you expect the bad spooks to reveal American spy's covert identities, you just don't expect it coming from an American President and his administration.

...looks like we gotta get the Russians and Cubans indicted too...

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040722-115439-4033r.htm

 

[forestal]

I'm willing to be patient.

Let's see what Henry Waxman and our Democratic heroes can ferret out with their subpeonas!!

Then why wouldn't he have gone after Armitage instead of bothering with Libby?

 

[Charles]

foreststool is more stupid that JPC, Sr. and that is saying something.

Speaking of JPC:
http://www.thebaynet.com/news/index.cfm?fuseaction=news.viewStory&story_ID=5125

 

[vraiblonde]

I'm willing to be patient.

Let's see what Henry Waxman and our Democratic heroes can ferret out with their subpeonas!!

Forestal, pay attention. Armitage already admitted in a public statement that he is the one who leaked Valerie Plame's identity. You can Google it and find it anywhere.

Fitzgerald apparently thought the outing of a supposedly covert agent was so important that he ignored the perpetrator and, instead, went after Scooter Libby for perjury. </sarcasm>

 

[BadGirl]

Democratic heroes can ferret out with their subpeonas!!

Heroes?? You mean like Sandy Berger!?

 

[forestal]

Sounds like Toensing doesn't know much about the law she wrote...

FindLaw:

(4) The term "covert agent" means -
(A) a present or retired officer or employee of an
intelligence agency or a present or retired member of the Armed
Forces assigned to duty with an intelligence agency -
(i) whose identity as such an officer, employee, or member
is classified information, and
(ii) who is serving outside the United States or has within
the last five years served outside the United States;

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[forestal]

And who was it that leaked her name the second time to reporters?

Forestal, pay attention. Armitage already admitted in a public statement that he is the one who leaked Valerie Plame's identity. You can Google it and find it anywhere.

Fitzgerald apparently thought the outing of a supposedly covert agent was so important that he ignored the perpetrator and, instead, went after Scooter Libby for perjury.

 

[forestal]

This is what Congressional oversite looks like, for those of you who have forgotten...

REP. WAXMAN: Thank you.

Before I recognize the next witness, I just want to clarify this point. The investigation by Mr. Fitzgerald didn't take place for months and months and months after it was well-known that there had been a leak of the identity of a covert CIA agent. Now, as I understand it, there's an obligation for the White House to conduct an immediate investigation to find out whether they needed to suspend security clearances of somebody who had leaked this information, to maybe take disciplinary action against an individual who might have been involved, and thirdly, to find out who divulged it.

And the White House had that obligation, because this was a matter of important, highest-order national security. Am I stating things correctly, Mr. Leonard?

MR. LEONARD: Mr. Chairman, as you point out, whenever there is suspected unauthorized disclosure or compromise, there is an affirmative responsibility to do an inquiry. At the very least to determine -- to implement corrective action. So that -- subsequent and additional and similar violations do not continue to occur, and also to be able to ensure that any potential damage to national security is assessed.

And part of the assessment of corrective action is also the assessment of the need for sanctions.

REP. WAXMAN: Right after the Novak column appeared, there was an outrage that this was disclosing a covert agent. And not only that, the CIA was so angered by it that they wrote a letter to the Justice Department demanding an investigation. And in light of this, which took place immediately after the information of the leak was disclosed, the White House still has not initiated an investigation. Am I correct in that statement, Mr. Knodell?

MR. KNODELL: That's correct. My office does not.

REP. WAXMAN: Thank you.​

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[RadioPatrol]

This is what Congressional oversite looks like, for those of you who have forgotten...

REP. WAXMAN: Thank you.

Before I recognize the next witness, I just want to clarify this point. The investigation by Mr. Fitzgerald didn't take place for months and months and months after it was well-known that there had been a leak of the identity of a covert CIA agent. Now, as I understand it, there's an obligation for the White House to conduct an immediate investigation to find out whether they needed to suspend security clearances of somebody who had leaked this information, to maybe take disciplinary action against an individual who might have been involved, and thirdly, to find out who divulged it.

And the White House had that obligation, because this was a matter of important, highest-order national security. Am I stating things correctly, Mr. Leonard?

MR. LEONARD: Mr. Chairman, as you point out, whenever there is suspected unauthorized disclosure or compromise, there is an affirmative responsibility to do an inquiry. At the very least to determine -- to implement corrective action. So that -- subsequent and additional and similar violations do not continue to occur, and also to be able to ensure that any potential damage to national security is assessed.

And part of the assessment of corrective action is also the assessment of the need for sanctions.

REP. WAXMAN: Right after the Novak column appeared, there was an outrage that this was disclosing a covert agent. And not only that, the CIA was so angered by it that they wrote a letter to the Justice Department demanding an investigation. And in light of this, which took place immediately after the information of the leak was disclosed, the White House still has not initiated an investigation. Am I correct in that statement, Mr. Knodell?

MR. KNODELL: That's correct. My office does not.

REP. WAXMAN: Thank you.​

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