Genesis 1 Fish & Birds

seekeroftruth

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Genesis 1:20 And God said, “Let the water teem with living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the vault of the sky.” 21 So God created the great creatures of the sea and every living thing with which the water teems and that moves about in it, according to their kinds, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good. 22 God blessed them and said, “Be fruitful and increase in number and fill the water in the seas, and let the birds increase on the earth.” 23 And there was evening, and there was morning—the fifth day.​

Three little words in these verses seem to prove creationism, according to the commentaries Those three words are "according to their kinds".

Let's face it a whale is a lot different than a guppy. A sparrow is a lot different than an eagle. We're taught in school that Darwin had no problem with proposing the theory that everything began in a primordial ooze. I mean it makes sense, but according to the commentaries, the fossils don't prove Darwin's theory at all.

Look at this quote from enduringword.com for example.

Doesn’t the fossil record show these creatures slowly evolved into existence, instead of suddenly appearing?

a. Most people are unaware that Darwin’s strongest opponents were not clergymen, but fossil experts. Darwin admitted the state of the fossil evidence was “the most obvious and gravest objection which can be urged against my theory,” and because of the fossil evidence, “all the most eminent paleontologists…and all our greatest geologists…have unanimously, often vehemently, maintained” that the species do not change.

b. The fossil record is marked by two great principles: first, stasis, which means most species are unchanged in all their documented history. The way they look when they first appear in the fossil record is the way they look when last appearing in the fossil record. They have not changed. Second, sudden appearance, which means in any local area, a species does not arise gradually, but appears all at once and “fully formed.”​

i. Philip Johnson: “If evolution means the gradual change of one kind of organism into another kind, the outstanding characteristic of the fossil record is the absence of evidence for evolution.”​

c. The Bighorn Basin in Wyoming contains a continuous record of fossil deposits for what geologists say is five million years. Because this record is so complete, paleontologists assumed a positive trail of evolution could be found. Instead, “the fossil record does not convincingly document a single transition from one species to another.” (Johnson)​

i. Evolutionist Nile Eldredge wrote: “We paleontologists have said that the history of life [in the fossil record] supports [the story of gradual evolution], all the while knowing that it does not.” (Johnson)​

d. Either evolution happened slowly, with each tiny change building on the last, over billions of years; or the changes came as quick leaps: something like a mouse coming out of a snake’s egg.​

i. The fossil record totally rejects the idea of millions of tiny changes; the quick leaps are a way of attributing miraculous power to “chance” or “nature” instead of God. While admiring the faith of those who believe in such hopeful monsters, it seems far more rational to believe in a wise, creating, designing God.​

So birds didn't suddenly leap out of the sea and start to fly. According to the fossil evidence. Birds were birds in the beginning. Bees were bees in the beginning. Whales didn't start out as guppy fish gliding through some ooze somewhere. The fossil evidence shows that Whales started big.

Last night I was watching Antiques Roadshow on PBS. A woman brought in a necklace made by a famous jeweler. It was hand carved with all kinds of tiny animals, fish, and birds. Can't you just see God, up in Heaven, crafting all these beautiful sea creatures and birds, then carefully laying them in a container, and then moving them into His planet earth? He created them out of the fundamental building blocks He used to create the sea and the land. God made creatures capable of reproducing. God even created food chains!

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TheLibertonian

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Well yes, but then again the field of paleontology was also NEW in Darwins era. And they made a looooot of mistakes, which is why so many 'famous dinosaurs' no longer exist, because scientist with a bit more scientific method to their madness have realized we were wrong.

The world is not 5000 years old. We have human construction older then that. There's a mortise and tenon joint from 7,000 years ago.

This also seems to disregard/ignore genetic paleontology, where we do see the subtle change in genetics over a long period of time.
 

seekeroftruth

Well-Known Member
Well yes, but then again the field of paleontology was also NEW in Darwins era. And they made a looooot of mistakes, which is why so many 'famous dinosaurs' no longer exist, because scientist with a bit more scientific method to their madness have realized we were wrong.

The world is not 5000 years old. We have human construction older then that. There's a mortise and tenon joint from 7,000 years ago.

This also seems to disregard/ignore genetic paleontology, where we do see the subtle change in genetics over a long period of time.

If you go back to the beginning of the "day" we don't know if a day was like one of our days now.... 24 hours.... or if "day" was an event.... "day of our Lord". So by that analogy a day could have been a billion years [made up of our 24 hour days]. How long was it before history was recorded day to day? We don't know that either. I really believe that the days of creation were more of an event rather than a 24 hour thing.

As for genetic paleontology.... I agree that there have been subtle change in genetics over a long period of time... as you point out. One great example of that is the change in eating habits made the appendix unnecessary. I give God a lot of credit for building that ability into everything He created.

It's just amazing to me that creations in the sea and the birds of the air seem to have begun simultaneously before man was there to write it down and yet it's recorded here and backed up by fossil records.... to me that's just "too cool"!

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