Ghost jobs

BOP

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I've been following the whole "quiet quitting" phenomenon for a couple of years now. Naturally, Gen Z thinks they invented it because the world came into being at the time of their birth.

The Millennials have, and do engage in it; as do/did Gen X'ers, and even us Boomers. We just didn't have social media to help us spread our fanaticism, and the further back one goes, the less entitled generations typically feel they are. We Boomers were raised with the mindset that a) the world doesn't owe us anything, and b) anything you have you must work for. We were also raised to believe that the primary way to get ahead in life was to put one's head down, work hard, and don't make waves. The way to get promoted and/or receive more compensation was to be recognized for ones hard work, loyalty, and dedication.

Which sometimes actually works, but in reality, almost never does. Mostly it's companies and corporations trying to get every last drop of blood out of workers, and please don't die on the job without notifying your supervisor.

"Quiet Hiring" was toted early this year as dum-dum-dum! "The Next Big Thing." Except that that's been a thing since I got out of the Navy in the mid- to late-70s. Crap, that was a long time ago. It gave rise to companies like Kelly Services (nee Kelly Girl), Manpower, and other temp agencies; many of whom I worked for, including what was derisively termed "Rent-a-Wino" agencies. Day labor before illegals began hanging around Lowes and Home Depot and 7/11 and so on.

What's interesting to me is that while "Quiet Hiring" as a phenomenon never got much attention, the latest term at the end of the same year is "Ghost Jobs." It remains to be seen whether the Obama...sorry, Harris/Biden...whooops, wrong again...Biteme regime will try to quash that as well.

The reason? It makes it appear as though employment is low, and the demand for jobs is high.

Except that that's not new either. In the "Nothing New Under the Sun" department, companies and corporations have always had perennial job listings. So prevalent was it that employment agencies (outside the official state run) clued job seekers - like those of us coming out of the military - that ads existed primarily as a way to keep their pile of resumes updated. In with the new, out with the old. It wasn't that they actually had openings, but that they were always looking to replace "quiet quitters" - except they called us...er, such people "slackers." And you didn't have to actually not carry your weight during the work day. It primarily had to do with how willing you were to take on extra work, work long hours, and work weekends when those weren't business hours for your company, or even the industry.

I was working 40 hours a week out in Tulsa for an aircraft manufacturer. Despite having a union, there was mandatory overtime. It didn't take me long to figure out that the money I was making put me into a higher tax bracket. My solution: taking sick leave during the week to counterbalance the mandatory Saturday work. Because of the union, they couldn't fire me, but I was termed a slacker. I lasted 3 and a half years there.

From Forbes https://www.forbes.com/sites/karade...eating-a-false-sense-of-hope/?sh=28f4d3e7dc0a

Other reasons hiring managers post “fake” job postings include:
  • Some hiring managers admitted that they wanted to give the impression that the company was growing.
  • Others said they posted jobs to assure their overworked staff that they were seeking ways to help them.
  • A different group said they left listings open, hoping their perfect candidate would eventually apply.
Again, not new motivations; just not stealth motivations any more. If the JFK assassination happened in the Internet age, could they have kept it covered up the way they allegedly have for all these decades? Doubtful.
 

SamSpade

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I've been following the whole "quiet quitting" phenomenon for a couple of years now. Naturally, Gen Z thinks they invented it because the world came into being at the time of their birth.

The Millennials have, and do engage in it; as do/did Gen X'ers, and even us Boomers. We just didn't have social media to help us spread our fanaticism, and the further back one goes, the less entitled generations typically feel they are. We Boomers were raised with the mindset that a) the world doesn't owe us anything, and b) anything you have you must work for. We were also raised to believe that the primary way to get ahead in life was to put one's head down, work hard, and don't make waves. The way to get promoted and/or receive more compensation was to be recognized for ones hard work, loyalty, and dedication.

Which sometimes actually works, but in reality, almost never does. Mostly it's companies and corporations trying to get every last drop of blood out of workers, and please don't die on the job without notifying your supervisor.
I remember a case like this - specifically - in the 90's. A guy who did a LOT of highly vital programming functions found - repeatedly - that he got passed over for promotion. It was unlikely that it was his lack of expertise but it probably had a bit to do with his sometimes volatile temperament - and probably the fact that he was a minority - and gay.

So he basically - DID HIS JOB - and went home. No extra effort, and if you dropped by his desk or sent an email - unless it was specifically to do his job - he fell silent.

This kind of "protest" works IF YOU ARE IN GREAT DEMAND for services you render but that you don't have to provide, to do your job. I've known a handful of people like this - they get passed over in favor of much less qualified persons, ostensibly for legitimate reasons but probably because of something else - like - a weird personality or that they talk too loudly. But you quickly find that without their expertise everything goes to hell in a handbasket -

ESPECIALLY if the person promoted instead of them is relying on them for resolving issues. Yep. Bacially DOING the job they were passed over for, but not getting paid for it.
 

PeoplesElbow

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When I entered the work force in 2000 there was an old guy that had one year to go. He just started bring in his fly fishing gear and started making flies, the boss fussed at him, he pretended he wasn't even there, the more the boss tried the more he ignored him. He knew it would take longer to fire him that he had before he could retire. In that day guys would email nudie pics around all the time on their work email, he had a rather well endowed woman's picture up and he saw the boss out of the corner of his eye and finally said something to him "Hey Rick, check this out" the boss came by and you could see the steam coming out of his ears, it was the most awesome display of tea bagging someone I ever saw.
 
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SamSpade

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Harris/Biden...whooops, wrong again...Biteme regime will try to quash that as well.
Had to respond but I suspect most people believe this --

As brain dead as Biden is - and as uesless as Harris is - it's clear enough they have nothing to do with what is going on in the White House, but are allowed to believe they are making a difference.

My son has a cognitive disability and I am constantly familiar with him answering a question by jumbling my own words to make it SOUND like an answer, but really just shows he's guessing. We've all seen this growing up in class, when a classmate is asked a question about the assignment, and they spit back a bunch of mumbo-jumbo until it's clear to everyone they didn't do crap.

That's Kamala. Unlike your classmate - she actually thinks it IS an answer.

We also have an uncle or grandparent or in-law who seems lost, confused, says the wrong thing, gets IRATE when challenged on it or corrected in any way - like telling them the bathroom is THIS way and not THAT way - loses their train of though often - and smiles thinking they've been coherent, when a blazing drunk might have been moreso.

That's Joe.

They are NOT in charge.
 

SamSpade

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When I entered the work force in 2000 there was an old guy that had one year to go. He just started bring in his fly fishing gear and started making flies, the boss fussed at him, he pretended he wasn't even there, the more the boss tried the more he ignored him. He knew it would take longer to fire him that he had before he could retire. In that day guys would email nudie pics around all the time on their work email, he had a rather well endowed woman's picture up and he saw the boss out of the corner of his eye and finally said something to him "Hey Rick, check this out" the boss came by and you could see the steam coming out of his ears, it was the most awesome display of tea bagging someone I ever saw.
Seen a LOT of those. They just take up space because they know the effort to remove them would take longer than they expect to stay. Even had one guy who constantly made lewd remarks to his female co-workers, knowing a sexual harassment suit back then would take two years - and he was going to be gone in ONE.
 
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PeoplesElbow

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Seen a LOT of those. They just take up space because they know the effort to remove them would take longer than they expect to stay. Even had one guy who constantly made lewd remarks to his female co-workers, knowing a sexual harassment suit back then would take two years - and he was going to be gone in ONE.
This guys motive was revenge, Rick was a huge dick to everyone, but especially him. This guy was a transfer from Trenton and was told he would be a branch head as soon as another retired, time came and someone else was placed in that position, no announcement or anything. So he confronted Rick and was told "I told you nothing of the sort" so after that point every thing this guy did was just to push his buttons, and being a former supervisor he knew exactly what he could get away with.
 

BernieP

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I;ve never done anything but my best, worked hard and stayed civil. One exception is the "yearly evaluation" process.
I know it's a joke, everyone knows it's a joke. If they don't, then they deserve a low rating and payout because they are stupid.
As for crap employers pull, I have a long list. Not much of it has happened to me.

Using a "pay raise" to save money. Raise the employees pay so that they move into the exempt from FLSA and the company no longer has to pay overtime or time and a half for hours. This done when the raise is minimal. The companion act is switching them from hourly to salary and saving on overtime.
Anything done "off the books" like compensatory time, promises of incentives if you take a TDY assignment, etc are worthless and some companies will basically deny the benefits the manager promised.
Then there is outright lying / fraud, when they fail to answer a question on benefits and you find out that you ARE NOT covered when you were led to believe you were.
 
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BOP

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I remember a case like this - specifically - in the 90's. A guy who did a LOT of highly vital programming functions found - repeatedly - that he got passed over for promotion. It was unlikely that it was his lack of expertise but it probably had a bit to do with his sometimes volatile temperament - and probably the fact that he was a minority - and gay.

So he basically - DID HIS JOB - and went home. No extra effort, and if you dropped by his desk or sent an email - unless it was specifically to do his job - he fell silent.

This kind of "protest" works IF YOU ARE IN GREAT DEMAND for services you render but that you don't have to provide, to do your job. I've known a handful of people like this - they get passed over in favor of much less qualified persons, ostensibly for legitimate reasons but probably because of something else - like - a weird personality or that they talk too loudly. But you quickly find that without their expertise everything goes to hell in a handbasket -

ESPECIALLY if the person promoted instead of them is relying on them for resolving issues. Yep. Bacially DOING the job they were passed over for, but not getting paid for it.
Also, and I never realized this until I worked for the Government, people are often passed over BECAUSE they are competent. Bosses are reluctant to put their people in a position to where they may and probably will leave.

On the other hand, I've seen quite a number of gold-bricking no-loads get promoted just to get rid of them.

The whole thing was eye-opening. Especially since I'd been raised to sell my soul to the company. I was only on 2 programs the entire time I worked for the Navy; one in WD, and one in AD. The first lasted 3 years; the second 19. Hell, I'd probably still be there if I hadn't gotten a buy-out.
 

BOP

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Had to respond but I suspect most people believe this --

As brain dead as Biden is - and as uesless as Harris is - it's clear enough they have nothing to do with what is going on in the White House, but are allowed to believe they are making a difference.

My son has a cognitive disability and I am constantly familiar with him answering a question by jumbling my own words to make it SOUND like an answer, but really just shows he's guessing. We've all seen this growing up in class, when a classmate is asked a question about the assignment, and they spit back a bunch of mumbo-jumbo until it's clear to everyone they didn't do crap.

That's Kamala. Unlike your classmate - she actually thinks it IS an answer.

We also have an uncle or grandparent or in-law who seems lost, confused, says the wrong thing, gets IRATE when challenged on it or corrected in any way - like telling them the bathroom is THIS way and not THAT way - loses their train of though often - and smiles thinking they've been coherent, when a blazing drunk might have been moreso.

That's Joe.

They are NOT in charge.
That's why the Obama part is important - except that I don't believe he's in charge, either. Joe loves him and he'll do or say what Barry tells him to do or say, but that's the extent of it, as far as I'm concerned.
 

BernieP

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Also, and I never realized this until I worked for the Government, people are often passed over BECAUSE they are competent. Bosses are reluctant to put their people in a position to where they may and probably will leave.

On the other hand, I've seen quite a number of gold-bricking no-loads get promoted just to get rid of them.

The whole thing was eye-opening. Especially since I'd been raised to sell my soul to the company. I was only on 2 programs the entire time I worked for the Navy; one in WD, and one in AD. The first lasted 3 years; the second 19. Hell, I'd probably still be there if I hadn't gotten a buy-out.
Government employment is not a meritocracy like we are led to believe. DEI is number 1, in hiring and promotions. Then time on the job, at some point they just figured the person that has been on the team the longest deserves the promotion. Because, much like private industry the higher up won't admit a mistake, rather they put pressure and the blame on the people that were passed over.
 

SamSpade

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That's why the Obama part is important - except that I don't believe he's in charge, either. Joe loves him and he'll do or say what Barry tells him to do or say, but that's the extent of it, as far as I'm concerned.
I don’t think he’s in charge either. If he were, there wouldn’t be nearly as many idiotic mistakes. I never liked Obama but he’s not stone cold stupid. Whoever is in charge, they’re rank amateurs.
 

BernieP

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That's why the Obama part is important - except that I don't believe he's in charge, either. Joe loves him and he'll do or say what Barry tells him to do or say, but that's the extent of it, as far as I'm concerned.
Obama people are staffing the White House and every agency. Brandon was paid off, they overlooked his corruption and had the perfect time to send out the drone. Obama is and always has been the puppet master, even during the Trump administration. He didn't have Trump and his appointees under control, but he had loyalists in high level positions throughout the administration. Talk about insurrection, the DNC, which Obama controls, has been taking money from the PRC since the Clinton administration was caught "red" handed. They used every media cronie to subvert the Trump administration. That's afer Hillary failed to win the election even with the dirty tricks.
 
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