Government "Shutdown"

stgislander

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Chuck the Schmuck says all Dem Senators will vote against the CR. Do the Reps just let the government stay shutdown (it's not a full shutdown) and go on with their budget reconciliation negotiations, or do they go back and give the Dems some sugar to get them onboard? Supposedly there's not a whole lot of difference between this CR and the one signed last fall.
 

stgislander

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They should give them what they want - the shutdown. Which will let the Trump administration determine who is or isn't essential.
That's how I feel. Unfortunately 50% of the country will believe the MSM that the Reps are shutting down the government.
 

OccamsRazor

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I'll take "We worked tirelessly until the 11th hour to come up with this lame resolution that allows us to kick the can down the road for a few month. Now, pat us all on the back 'cause we work so hardz." - For $500... Alex
 

SamSpade

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So, the GOP led House passes the CR, the Dem minority in the Senate uses the filibuster to block passage , and then the MSM, with only a 31% approval rating, blames the GOP. Yep, sounds about right.
Just chatted - briefly - with my boss. I don't let people at work know my political leanings, and I want to keep it that way, since most of them are Dems and seriously lose their sht if they find themselves around a Trump supporter --

We are of course, concerned about a shutdown, since the Dems can still block it.

What I have heard - it's a clean funding bill. No surprises --
What SHE has heard - the GOP snuck in a feature that gives Trump latitude to shut things down.

What I have read ELSEWHERE - the GOP has done no such thing - it is the Dems who want to ADD such wording to the bill after a 30 day bill is passed.

So which is it?
 

Hijinx

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Government workers have always been paid after a shut down whether they work or not.
That should be changed. Let the Democrat worker find out they DON'T get paid this time and see how fast they encourage Chuck the MF'er Schmuck to end the shut down.
 

Ken King

A little rusty but not crusty
PREMO Member
So which is it?
https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-concurrent-resolution/14

Summary -
This concurrent resolution establishes the congressional budget for the federal government for FY2025, sets forth budgetary levels for FY2026-FY2034, and provides reconciliation instructions for legislation that increases or decreases the deficit and increases the statutory debt limit by specified amounts.

The resolution recommends levels and amounts for FY2025-FY2034 for

  • federal revenues,
  • new budget authority,
  • budget outlays,
  • deficits,
  • debt subject to limit,
  • debt held by the public, and
  • the major functional categories of spending.
The resolution includes reconciliation instructions that direct 11 House committees to submit legislation that will increase or decrease the deficit over FY2025-FY2034 and increase the statutory debt limit by specified amounts. The committees must submit the legislation to the House Budget Committee by March 27, 2025.

(Under current law, reconciliation bills are considered by Congress using expedited legislative procedures that prevent a filibuster and restrict amendments in the Senate.)

In addition, the resolution establishes a reserve fund that allows certain adjustments to committee allocations and other budgetary levels to accommodate reconciliation legislation.

The resolution also requires the maximum deficit increase permitted by the reconciliation instruction for the House Ways and Means Committee ($4.5 trillion in the resolution) to be reduced if the proposals submitted by certain committees do not achieve a total of at least $2 trillion in net deficit reduction (or increased if more than $2 trillion in deficit reduction is achieved).

Finally, the resolution sets forth budget enforcement procedures that address issues such as adjustments to committee allocations and the budgetary treatment of the discretionary administrative expenses for the Social Security Administration and the U.S. Postal Service.
 

SamSpade

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PREMO Member
Government workers have always been paid after a shut down whether they work or not.
That should be changed. Let the Democrat worker find out they DON'T get paid this time and see how fast they encourage Chuck the MF'er Schmuck to end the shut down.
Except that a lot of those government workers - are NOT Democrats and always vote against them.

It's a load of crap to assume "government worker" is synonymous with "Democrat".

FWIW - some agencies and programs are fully funded until the end of the fiscal year - so it won't make a lot of difference.
 

Hijinx

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Except that a lot of those government workers - are NOT Democrats and always vote against them.

It's a load of crap to assume "government worker" is synonymous with "Democrat".

FWIW - some agencies and programs are fully funded until the end of the fiscal year - so it won't make a lot of difference.
Copied from your own post.
"Just chatted - briefly - with my boss. I don't let people at work know my political leanings, and I want to keep it that way, since most of them are Dems and seriously lose their sht if they find themselves around a Trump supporter --"

But I know many Republicans are Government workers also, it still doesn't alter the fact that if they weren't
confident they would be paid when it was over the stink would hit Schumer pretty hard.
 

OccamsRazor

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Government workers have always been paid after a shut down whether they work or not.
That should be changed. Let the Democrat worker find out they DON'T get paid this time and see how fast they encourage Chuck the MF'er Schmuck to end the shut down.
Better yet, don't let those MF'ers in Congress exempt themselves from the shut down. That will get stuff moving right quick!
 

SamSpade

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PREMO Member
Did you ask her to specify what exact feature that is?
Wasn't going to argue about it - she was also trying to be very hard not to talk too much about it - you're not supposed to be political and it's probably a good idea not to discuss.
But I know many Republicans are Government workers also, it still doesn't alter the fact that if they weren't
confident they would be paid when it was over the stink would hit Schumer pretty hard.

So? To my knowledge, government shutdowns ALWAYS ALWAYS end up getting blamed on Republicans in the press.
If the Democrats sink this, they are STILL GOING TO CLAIM it was the Republicans.

See, as near as I can tell, the Dems WANT a feature in the CR that reins in Musk - that curtails what he can do - and by NOT putting it in there, the leftie press is claiming the GOP is INSERTING the ability to expand Musk's abilities. It's totally backwards, but in the press we have, they will always blame the GOP.
 

Ken King

A little rusty but not crusty
PREMO Member
See, as near as I can tell, the Dems WANT a feature in the CR that reins in Musk - that curtails what he can do - and by NOT putting it in there, the leftie press is claiming the GOP is INSERTING the ability to expand Musk's abilities. It's totally backwards, but in the press we have, they will always blame the GOP.
They also want a series of 4-week CRs for the rest of the FY and not this one that carries till the end of FY2025. They feel they can disrupt the actions of the Executive more easily by doing that.
 
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