Gun Confiscations Underway

[justiceforall]

uslegal.com :shrug:

Originally Posted by So_what
Thanks to the Maryland Firearms Safety Act of 2013 you can now lose your guns for a previous PBJ for a disqualifying crime. Example: Going through a divorce and wife calls police claiming "domestic violence" judge gives you PBJ after hearing it's BS call from the wife.

So based on what a bpj is, this example doesn't seem to fit. The judge or jury would first have to find the defendant guilty. The defered adjudication would then be issued by the judge. The incident would not be based on a "bs call from the wife", but a person being found guilty beyond a reasonable doubt, or pleading guilty.

 

[Gilligan]

This is NOT what I would consider a "good outcome" by any definition. But it is over for these folks at least. Ironically..their legal fees probably exceeded the value of the firearms. At least it was "only" $2100 and not the full $2500 retainer they had to pay.

Who is next? And now you know that you might not ever be told why the troopers arrived to confiscate your firearms in the first place!! Despite over 300 years of family history here, I cannot wait to watch MD disappear permanently in my rear view mirror.

The bold is mine...I had suspected that this would come down to an "administrative mistake". Expect many, many more just like it. You would expect better from the same kinds of folks that brought us the Obamacre web sites??

Approximately $2100 and 7 weeks later...... Their lawyer called and they met with the Maryland State Police and all the guns were returned w/o explanation or apology. They only admitted to an inter-agency mistake that cost them a bunch of money-liberty-worry-standing in the community

 

[Gilligan]

MSP will give you the information as to why they are taking your firearms before they take them.

Apparently not. Unless "adminstrative error" or "inter-agency mistake" qualifies as that information.

 

[GURPS]

But it is over for these folks at least.

so your friend got his weapons back ?

 

[So_what]

So when MSP comes looking for your firearms the proper answer is they're stored at my mother in laws in Pennsylvania :shrug: or I was taking them by boat over to my friends house in Virginia and the boat sank in a tragic boating accident :shrug:

 

[Gilligan]

so your friend got his weapons back ?

See post. http://forums.somd.com/threads/285707-Gun-Confiscations-Underway?p=5352626&viewfull=1#post5352626

 

[GURPS]

See post. http://forums.somd.com/threads/285707-Gun-Confiscations-Underway?p=5352626&viewfull=1#post5352626

I quoted that post ... I was trying for clarification

 

[Gilligan]

I quoted that post ... I was trying for clarification

Clarification of...what? This?

.....Their lawyer called and they met with the Maryland State Police and all the guns were returned w/o explanation or apology.

Here's a question for ya: Let's say MSP confiscates your firearms due to an erroneous database return or whatever. You contact an attorney who quotes you $2500 to deal with the matter. The value of your confiscated firearm(s) is half that amount...$1250. What do you do?

 

[GURPS]

Clarification of...what? This?

ok Happy Ending ....

 

[Hank]

Clarification of...what? This?




Here's a question for ya: Let's say MSP confiscates your firearms due to an erroneous database return or whatever. You contact an attorney who quotes you $2500 to deal with the matter. The value of your confiscated firearm(s) is half that amount...$1250. What do you do?

Cut him a break... He's a little slow, if ya know what I'm sayin'.

 

[itsrequired]

Do you not find it odd that this hasn't been in the press? I mean, we are a pretty conservative 2nd amdendment supporting group here in Southern Maryland. Do you not think if this was wrong the Smnews net or Baynet wouldn't be all over this?

Does it not strike you odd that there is no other information?

Why would you defend something so vigorously with such little information?

So this is it then? An anonymous poster stated that a person who will remain anonymous to all of us had their guns confiscated. They then allegedly paid a chunk of money to a lawyer to get them back. Everyone who is believing this is doing so because it was written? There was no information given which could be verified. Not a troopers name, lawyers name, date it happened, or any other verifiable information to prove it's true or not, but we should now just believe it because an anonymous poster said so.

I think you should all pay attention to the ops signature line....
"The thing about quotes you find on the Internet is that you can never be certain of their validity..." -Abraham Lincoln

It never seemed more appropriate.

 

[Chris0nllyn]

So this is it then? An anonymous poster stated that a person who will remain anonymous to all of us had their guns confiscated. They then allegedly paid a chunk of money to a lawyer to get them back. Everyone who is believing this is doing so because it was written? There was no information given which could be verified. Not a troopers name, lawyers name, date it happened, or any other verifiable information to prove it's true or not, but we should now just believe it because an anonymous poster said so.

I think you should all pay attention to the ops signature line....
"The thing about quotes you find on the Internet is that you can never be certain of their validity..." -Abraham Lincoln

It never seemed more appropriate.

To be fair, how many times have we heard of folks giving no info "until the investigation is complete"?

Also, just because local news didn't put it up means nothing. They don't publish everything.

 

[Hank]

I think you should all pay attention to the ops signature line....
"The thing about quotes you find on the Internet is that you can never be certain of their validity..." -Abraham Lincoln

It never seemed more appropriate.

Touche.

 

[Gilligan]

So this is it then? An anonymous poster stated that a person who will remain anonymous to all of us had their guns confiscated. They then allegedly paid a chunk of money to a lawyer to get them back. Everyone who is believing this is doing so because it was written? There was no information given which could be verified. Not a troopers name, lawyers name, date it happened, or any other verifiable information to prove it's true or not, but we should now just believe it because an anonymous poster said so.

The information in this thread was not posted for you. It was posted for the benefit of the many on here who actually know me - some very well and for many years - and to whom I'm not anonymous.

Sucks to be you...huh?

Carry on.

 

[Gilligan]

To be fair, how many times have we heard of folks giving no info "until the investigation is complete"?

Also, just because local news didn't put it up means nothing. They don't publish everything.

I'm wondering how "local news" would even pick up something like that incident without the people directly involved calling someone to get publicity about it (something they were considering very seriously, especially if they never received a response back from MSP). In fact, I seldom ever see mention of routine LE activities in any media outlet.

 

[itsrequired]

To be fair, how many times have we heard of folks giving no info "until the investigation is complete"?

Also, just because local news didn't put it up means nothing. They don't publish everything.

This investigation is complete. They got the guns back. If the information was given to the local news, than it could be given here. We are citizens, can we not contact the state police ourselve if we had the information to do so? This is local news. We have the same rights as the media. We have the ability to file freedom of information requests, but no information has been given where we could do that.

Honestly, would you accept this under any other circumstance?

 

[Gilligan]

If the information was given to the local news, than it could be given here.

Big "if" ya got there, junior.

Here..something to help ya out.

http://www.downwardspiralintothevortex.com/2012/06/projection-and-borderline-personality.html

 

[Gilligan]

I'd love to know the details behind that reported "inter agency" foul up.

 

[Chris0nllyn]

This investigation is complete. They got the guns back. If the information was given to the local news, than it could be given here. We are citizens, can we not contact the state police ourselve if we had the information to do so? This is local news. We have the same rights as the media. We have the ability to file freedom of information requests, but no information has been given where we could do that.

Honestly, would you accept this under any other circumstance?

Sure it's complete now, supposedly, but if it just ended, and the family didn't want info given out, what you are asking for may be a bit hard to do. Esspecially if you had asked for it prior to the investigation being complete.

I agree with everything else you said. We don't have the info, but like Gilligan said, it's not his to give out.

Personally, I'd be pissed if one of my friends went on a public forum with my business, whether they gave out my info or not, it's still my business. I would imagine Gilligan can go to the people that had this happen and ask to give enough info to get an idea of what's going on. It's also quite possible that these folks just want it to be done and over with now that everything is squared away.

It's irrelevant what I think about it, but I'd be screaming it from the roof tops. Why? Because (purely speculation on my part here) I think this had to do with the MSP being the POC on all regulated gun purchaes in MD, and the state's unwillingness to let that go to the FFL for a NICS check. MSP had months of delays and backups of regulated purchases. They are using old technology, checking all these different databases by hand, bringing in "contractors" to file the forms, etc. instead of doing what most other states are doing and letting the FFL dealers run NICS checks.

Now more than ever, considering Del. Cardin wants to close up this "loophole" (that I decribed above) that probably caused this mess to begin with.

 

[Gilligan]

Sure it's complete now, supposedly, but if it just ended, and the family didn't want info given out, what you are asking for may be a bit hard to do. Esspecially if you had asked for it prior to the investigation being complete.

I agree with everything else you said. We don't have the info, but like Gilligan said, it's not his to give out.

Personally, I'd be pissed if one of my friends went on a public forum with my business, whether they gave out my info or not, it's still my business. I would imagine Gilligan can go to the people that had this happen and ask to give enough info to get an idea of what's going on. It's also quite possible that these folks just want it to be done and over with now that everything is squared away.

It's irrelevant what I think about it, but I'd be screaming it from the roof tops. Why? Because (purely speculation on my part here) I think this had to do with the MSP being the POC on all regulated gun purchaes in MD, and the state's unwillingness to let that go to the FFL for a NICS check. MSP had months of delays and backups of regulated purchases. They are using old technology, checking all these different databases by hand, bringing in "contractors" to file the forms, etc. instead of doing what most other states are doing and letting the FFL dealers run NICS checks.

Now more than ever, considering Del. Cardin wants to close up this "loophole" (that I decribed above) that probably caused this mess to begin with.

Well put and an accurate summation of the situation.

As I alluded to earlier, they (husband and wife) were getting some pressure from friends and acquaintances to "go to the papers" and, in fact, still are, to some extent. It looks like, for now, they are going to keep the matter private (meaning of course that those friends and family that they shared with must do the same), but with an open mind to making it public if similar incidents are learned of.