Gun control group files suit against 'ghost gun' manufacturers

GURPS

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The Brady suits charged, however, that selling such parts still violated state and federal firearm laws and could conceivably lead to criminals, killers and others getting guns. They also claimed the companies making "ghost guns" refused "to use reasonable safety measures that could have limited the risk of their products falling into the hands of such dangerous individuals."

Specifically, the Brady suits were filed on behalf of a group of plaintiffs who were shot or whose loved ones were shot or killed with a "ghost gun," by a man named Kevin Neal, who was barred from possessing firearms in California during a 2017 shooting spree. Neal's mental health, NBC News reported, was deteriorating and he experienced hallucinations and delusions.

But, Wilson said perhaps the biggest flaw with the Brady cases was that they did not specifically link his company or any of the others mentioned to the actual shooting spree that affected the plaintiffs.

"Right now, it's not clear to me how he built that rifle, if he even bought a kit from any of the defendants at all. This litigation is meant more to be a, you know, activist," Wilson said. "And, its purpose is to say that our industry overall is negligent and violates state and federal law, but none of that's true. Our products are perfectly legal, they're not firearms."


 

glhs837

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Ghost gun...sounds scary to me.


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glhs837

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Went looking for 80% lowers earlier in the week. Damn. ATFers gonna be busy as hell, cause it looks like every one in the country has been sold. (Not really, but I was amazed at the sheer amount of out of stock banners
 

LightRoasted

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Ghost gun: A homemade firearm, (yes, there are many people that make their own, extremely accurate, firearms), (also perfectly legal to do so), that does not require a serial number or registration with any governmental agency. [Now, go try to sell one? A whole can of worms you do not want opened].

Maybe they should sue the billet manufacturers? The metal smelters? The companies that dig the ore from the ground?
 

Bare-ya-cuda

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Ghost gun: A homemade firearm, (yes, there are many people that make their own, extremely accurate, firearms), (also perfectly legal to do so), that does not require a serial number or registration with any governmental agency. [Now, go try to sell one? A whole can of worms you do not want opened].

Maybe they should sue the billet manufacturers? The metal smelters? The companies that dig the ore from the ground?
Give them time and they probably will sue or raid billet manufacturers. Just read the ATF raided a machine shop that produces solvent traps that are commonly they say are used to build your own suppressor.
 

Hijinx

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I do not believe most killers make their own guns.
Most are too freaking lazy to work and not smart enough.
Easier to steal one or buy from from someone else who stole it.

The attack against ghost guns is just another farce.
 

LightRoasted

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I do not believe most killers make their own guns. Most are too freaking lazy to work and not smart enough. Easier to steal one or buy from from someone else who stole it. The attack against ghost guns is just another farce.
Very true. To make one's own firearm requires smarts. Like, know the metallurgy of the metals one is using. One must also know more than simple maths. Ya know to understand and calculate pressures and the stress that will be applied to the metals being used. Gonna need expensive metal drills, lathes, milling machines, manual or CNC, (computer numerical control), and know how to use them properly. Expensive equipment. Though not needed for all firearms, they do come in handy. Micrometers of all types. Lot and lots of other different tools. Hell, lets call it a large well tooled and supplied workshop to the equivalence of a @Gilligan level workshop that is needed. Course you could get a kit. But that still requires smarts. A let's face it, most criminal types do not have the required smarts, intelligence, or patience.

As an aside, zip guns, (think .22 caliber), have been around for quit a while. And are relatively easily made. However, they do not impose the scariness a bad guy would want when robbing someone. They are more for close quarters knocking off someone discretely. But even then, it requires some knowledge of manufacture.

Those in 'power' are chasing ghosts.
 

LightRoasted

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Give them time and they probably will sue or raid billet manufacturers. Just read the ATF raided a machine shop that produces solvent traps that are commonly they say are used to build your own suppressor.
They better start raiding oil filter manufacturers as well then. Those things really work well.
 

LightRoasted

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i don’t believe in ghosts
Never watched Ghostbusters, huh? Or, been out in Cornfield harbor, fishing, late at night for a chance to watch and witness the night lanterns moving along, (when there is no one there), the area of the Union controlled Confederate POW Camp on Point Lookout where 52,264 Confederates were imprisoned, and between 3,000 and 8,000 men died? That'll give you the willies.

Even Maryland believes in ghosts, ah er, spirits.:whistle:
 

GURPS

INGSOC
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[Now, go try to sell one? A whole can of worms you do not want opened].


Until there is some administrative change, you may, post assembly sell your firearm, you may NOT manufacture just to sell ..... there is no defined period between building your own firearm and selling, but given the ATF BS that goes on, I would never take the risk ... If need be I'd sell the parts and keep the receiver ..... I guess you could slap a name and number on the receiver and process the sale through a FFL ... but who really wants that hassle
 

Merlin99

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Very true. To make one's own firearm requires smarts. Like, know the metallurgy of the metals one is using. One must also know more than simple maths. Ya know to understand and calculate pressures and the stress that will be applied to the metals being used. Gonna need expensive metal drills, lathes, milling machines, manual or CNC, (computer numerical control), and know how to use them properly. Expensive equipment. Though not needed for all firearms, they do come in handy. Micrometers of all types. Lot and lots of other different tools. Hell, lets call it a large well tooled and supplied workshop to the equivalence of a @Gilligan level workshop that is needed. Course you could get a kit. But that still requires smarts. A let's face it, most criminal types do not have the required smarts, intelligence, or patience.

As an aside, zip guns, (think .22 caliber), have been around for quit a while. And are relatively easily made. However, they do not impose the scariness a bad guy would want when robbing someone. They are more for close quarters knocking off someone discretely. But even then, it requires some knowledge of manufacture.

Those in 'power' are chasing ghosts.
I don't think you're quite getting the point. An 80% receiver requires minimal machining, mostly a little drilling and filing, all of the metallurgy is done by the company providing the blank. After that everything is bought off of the internet, out of catalogs or at a local swap meets.
 

LightRoasted

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I don't think you're quite getting the point. An 80% receiver requires minimal machining, mostly a little drilling and filing, all of the metallurgy is done by the company providing the blank. After that everything is bought off of the internet, out of catalogs or at a local swap meets.
No. I understand completely. If I wanted, I could be an 80% receiver maker myself. But I would still have to know the safest metals to use and know the milling process. And though the milling process is less for the person receiving it, there is still the knowledge and skill required to finish. The point being, anyone with the knowledge and equipment can take a billet and mill it into a receiver.
 

Gilligan

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I don't think you're quite getting the point. An 80% receiver requires minimal machining, mostly a little drilling and filing, all of the metallurgy is done by the company providing the blank. After that everything is bought off of the internet, out of catalogs or at a local swap meets.
That's a very over-simplified explanation. Good quality firearms do not result from a "little drilling and filing" when working with 80% lowers. Really crappy firearms can be the result, however...that is true. But who wants a firearm like that??

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Bare-ya-cuda

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Not only didnthe ATF raid polymer80 they got a subpoena for stamps.com and polymer80 credit card processing company to obtain customer names and addresses.
 
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