Gun Control Works Again

[Midnightrider]

Your claim is the NRA influenced CA gun control laws, so your evidence that the NRA influenced the CA law is to use MD law? Why don’t you just say you have nothing? Since you invoked MD law, can you show me where, at all, any decision made in SB-281 was influenced by the NRA? I seem to remember the NRA has several pending law-suits… Not a good evidence they were successful in influencing anything.

You answers in the past have been that they were intended to prevent the mentally ill from getting firearms. Are you now saying this is not the intent of these laws? If it isn’t to prevent criminals and the mentally ill from obtaining guns, what is the purpose of the the CA gun control laws?

You have a pretty simplistic understanding of how laws are written...

Things in SB281 the NRA fought for and got:
You can still possess all mags
No gun confiscations
You can bequeath banned firearms to your family
HBARs
And that's just off the top of my head

The NRA my have lost the war but they won a bunch of battles in sb281. The NRA lobbyist was working overtime at the statehouse and did exact some influence over the law as written. Do yourself a favor and read up on it.

 

[Gilligan]

There is no cure for schizophrenia. .

I dunno about that. I had it for a long time, but we are OK now.

 

[BigBlue]

Shouldn't we be talking about knife control and automobile control also?

Ok , I'm good with that .Make everyone with a gun go trough all the same things that you need to get a car or drivers license .Age limit , renew it every 3/4 years ,insurance and every vehicle is registered with the DMV ,if you can't see you can't drive , if you are mentally challenged you can't drive unless they pass a test .Same all the way around with guns, everyone needs to be registered .

 

[Gilligan]

if you are mentally challenged you can't drive unless they pass a test .

You'd have to get used to walking, sport. Unless you can ride a bike, which I seriously doubt.

BTW, Mo...did you know that you do have to pass a test and obtain a permit to purchase a handgun in MD?

 

[PsyOps]

You have a pretty simplistic understanding of how laws are written...

Things in SB281 the NRA fought for and got:
You can still possess all mags
No gun confiscations
You can bequeath banned firearms to your family
HBARs
And that's just off the top of my head

The NRA my have lost the war but they won a bunch of battles in sb281. The NRA lobbyist was working overtime at the statehouse and did exact some influence over the law as written. Do yourself a favor and read up on it.

We were talking about CA law and you diverted to MD law to somehow support your argument, and you're calling my understanding simplistic? Please, again, show me where the NRA influenced any of the CA law. But even in the case of MD law, show me where any of MD lawmakers stated they were influenced by the NRA.

 

[PsyOps]

Ok , I'm good with that .Make everyone with a gun go trough all the same things that you need to get a car or drivers license .Age limit , renew it every 3/4 years ,insurance and every vehicle is registered with the DMV ,if you can't see you can't drive , if you are mentally challenged you can't drive unless they pass a test .Same all the way around with guns, everyone needs to be registered .

And we see how driving courses and tests, licensing, registration, etc… works so well with automobiles. Still far more people killed in traffic accidents than with guns. It's estimated there are approximately 200 million guns in the America; there are approximately 62 million cars.

 

[Larry Gude]

You have a pretty simplistic understanding of how laws are written...

Things in SB281 the NRA fought for and got:
You can still possess all mags
No gun confiscations
You can bequeath banned firearms to your family
HBARs
And that's just off the top of my head

The NRA my have lost the war but they won a bunch of battles in sb281. The NRA lobbyist was working overtime at the statehouse and did exact some influence over the law as written. Do yourself a favor and read up on it.

So ####ing what?????? SB 281 had about as much to do with reducing murders in Maryland as it did with increasing the crab yield. It is LUDICROUS to go after arms NOT commonly used in murders IF your goal is to reduce said murders. This stuff just annoys the #### out of me. O'Malley had ZERO interest in reducing gun murders in Maryland. If he had any interest in reducing gun murders in Maryland he'd have gone after the causes of the vast majority of gun murders in Maryland.

Jesus ####ing Christ. Enough. SB 281 is NOT, repeat, NOT about reducing gun violence. Period. End of story.

 

[PsyOps]

You have a pretty simplistic understanding of how laws are written...

Things in SB281 the NRA fought for and got:
You can still possess all mags
No gun confiscations
You can bequeath banned firearms to your family
HBARs
And that's just off the top of my head

The NRA my have lost the war but they won a bunch of battles in sb281. The NRA lobbyist was working overtime at the statehouse and did exact some influence over the law as written. Do yourself a favor and read up on it.

And going down your list…

• You can possess any mag as long as you owned it prior to 1 Oct 13. If you get pulled over and searched you had better have a receipt showing where and when it was bought or can somehow convince the cop you legally own it. Good luck with that, since so many people have 30 round mags they have owned for a long time.
• Who the heck was for gun confiscation at all?
• I fail to see where the NRA had anything to do with regulating or banning HBARs. My memory on this is legislators didn’t want to touch unregulated, competition-levels firearms. But since all semi-auto rifles are banned, it’s rather moot in that case.

Do yourself a favor and if you’re going to claim something, at least show evidence of it. I agree the NRA was active in shaping, if not preventing, this horrendous law; but given how the law turned out, I’m seeing they had no influence at all. I would love to see comments from MD lawmakers that said “I made this decision because the NRA convinced me to.”

 

[Larry Gude]

I dunno about that. I had it for a long time, but we are OK now.

 

[PsyOps]

Jesus ####ing Christ. Enough. SB 281 is NOT, repeat, NOT about reducing gun violence. Period. End of story.

Progressives like Midnight want to feel they DID something; it's makes them feel good. Now that existing gun laws in CA have proven ineffective, they aim for more gun laws.

 

[Larry Gude]

Progressives like Midnight want to feel they DID something; it's makes them feel good. Now that existing gun laws in CA have proven ineffective, they aim for more gun laws.

The coverage is pretty interesting. Lotta news outlet describe a mass shooting and, if you listen to the whole report, they finally get around to the first ones murdered were killed with knives.

 

[Larry Gude]

[*]I fail to see where the NRA had anything to do with regulating or banning HBARs. My memory on this is legislators didn’t want to touch unregulated, competition-levels firearms. But since all semi-auto rifles are banned, it’s rather moot in that case. :

HBARs were not protected in the pre public testimony phase. I dunno if you credit the NRA or public protest. When I was there, a young lady, 13 or so, who shoots competitively with an AR platform, testified how SB 281 would make her a criminal.

Banning them was in there.

 

[PsyOps]

The coverage is pretty interesting. Lotta news outlet describe a mass shooting and, if you listen to the whole report, they finally get around to the first ones murdered were killed with knives.

Look, you're distracting the conversation with this 'knives' nonsense. Let's get back to guns and the evil NRA.

 

[Larry Gude]

And going down your list…

But since all semi-auto rifles are banned, it’s rather moot in that case.

No, they're not. Walk into a gun store. There is a #### ton of HBAR's in .223 and all the .308 AR platforms you'd like.

 

[Larry Gude]

Look, you're distracting the conversation with this 'knives' nonsense. Let's get back to guns and the evil NRA.

Yeah! Burn them! See if they float!!!! Burn them!!!!

 

[PsyOps]

HBARs were not protected in the pre public testimony phase. I dunno if you credit the NRA or public protest. When I was there, a young lady, 13 or so, who shoots competitively with an AR platform, testified how SB 281 would make her a criminal.

Banning them was in there.

But you can’t really point to the NRA as influencing anyone. I’m trying to imagine any of the liberals in the MD legislature/senate being influenced by the NRA. Midnight (and others) are claiming the NRA is evil because they pushed for things that would have allowed the mentally ill to get guns. I think this is a distortion of what the NRA was trying to accomplish. Certainly if the NRA, and most of us, had our way SB-281 would have never happened at all. Even Midnight admits he doesn’t like SB-281, then goes on to condemn the NRA for influencing certain parts out of the law.

I found this comment on MD Shooter regarding HBARs:

There is no official ruling at this time, but many people expect HBAR's to remain legal. Primarily because the way the law was written and that it would be unpopular to prohibit a government sanctioned competition service rifle. Banning a competition rifle would make the people who wrote the ban look foolish, and honestly not looking foolish is more important to them than "public safety".

Take that for what it’s worth from another forum.

 

[PsyOps]

No, they're not. Walk into a gun store. There is a #### ton of HBAR's in .223 and all the .308 AR platforms you'd like.

That was a rhetorical 'all'.

 

[Larry Gude]

But you can’t really point to the NRA as influencing anyone. [/URL]:

True enough. However, the way we play politics in this country is to find a bogey man and blame them for everything. It's those 'liberals' or the 'Unions' or the "NRA" or those 'extremists' or 'corporations'. We never discuss politics in specifics and that is what turns so many people off, debate on a 2nd grade level.

 

[Midnightrider]

Progressives like Midnight want to feel they DID something; it's makes them feel good. Now that existing gun laws in CA have proven ineffective, they aim for more gun laws.

I did do something, I fought SB281 last year when it was being pushed through. Thousands of us who were paying attention did our best, and that included more than just buying a EBR. I also saw the influence our NRA rep was able to exact during the various iterations of the bill. But keep fighting your srraw man

 

[PsyOps]

I did do something, I fought SB281 last year when it was being pushed through. Thousands of us who were paying attention did our best, and that included more than just buying a EBR. I also saw the influence our NRA rep was able to exact during the various iterations of the bill. But keep fighting your srraw man

'OUR' NRA rep? So now you're a card carrying member? I have no strawman. I'm not claiming there is some external evil influence here. You and I are in the same boat, we hate this law. Yet you continue to argue with me about the NRA. You're all over the page dude.