Gun Nut Plans March On Washington

[itsbob]

Is it legal to carry an AR down the street in Maryland? It's not. It's not a constitutional right either, as the supreme court has already determined.


Yes, I believe you are a coward. If you felt so strongly about your convictions you would make a stand rather than sitting on th internet crying about them.

How many people have you arrested for carrying a firearm either on themselves, in their car or in a bag they may have been carrying??

 

[PsyOps]

Just because I may not agree with a law doesn't mean I find it immoral.

 

[itsrequired]

Serious question, if you were working in New Orleans during Katrina, and you were instructed to confiscate firearms from citizens.....would you?

No, I would not. Back to the law. Just because I don't agree with a law, doesn't mean I am right. Talk about arrogance. How arrogant would one have to be to assume that every position they hold is the only one that could be correct. There are a lot of laws I disagree with but it's my duty to uphold them. I don't think I should have to read Miranda to a guy who has been arrested 40 times, but that's the law. If I didn't do that YOU would say I am a bad cop. Is it immoral that I follow that law? Is it immoral that I don't search your car when my training and experience tells me you are up to no good but I don't have enough pc to search it? No, it's not. I'm sure you are happy I do my job following those laws.

 

[itsrequired]

How many people have you arrested for carrying a firearm either on themselves, in their car or in a bag they may have been carrying??

I don't know the number. I can tell you that I have arrested people for carrying guns in their car. I have arrested people for carrying guns on their person. I have arrested people for having guns in their home. I don't recall ever arresting anyone for carrying guns in a bag.

 

[Merlin99]

And you've shown how morally inept you are.

You say you believe that citizens should be allowed to carry, but are willing to use force, if need be, on that citizen for carrying in a state that says they can not.

Would you, or would you not arrest (or at the least, stop and question)someone who is carrying an AR, or shotgun down the street?

Sounds like a perfect type of case for a jury nullification verdict.

 

[bcp]

No, I would not. Back to the law. Just because I don't agree with a law, doesn't mean I am right. Talk about arrogance. How arrogant would one have to be to assume that every position they hold is the only one that could be correct. There are a lot of laws I disagree with but it's my duty to uphold them. I don't think I should have to read Miranda to a guy who has been arrested 40 times, but that's the law. If I didn't do that YOU would say I am a bad cop. Is it immoral that I follow that law? Is it immoral that I don't search your car when my training and experience tells me you are up to no good but I don't have enough pc to search it? No, it's not. I'm sure you are happy I do my job following those laws.

I think I understand what you are saying, and in some respects I have to agree with you.
however, the Miranda rights are basically reading the rights from the 5th amendment in the Constitution, so, like it or not, you are complying with the Constitution in that regard. And if not directly from the U.S constitution, most states have a Miranda reading in their constitution.
However, by stopping someone from carrying a handgun, just strapped to their side you are violating the Constitution.
So, the question still remains unanswered, do you uphold the constitution or do you uphold the desires of some liberal panty waste directing you.

At what point, would you say no to an order and refer your superior (or boss since bosses are not always superior), to the constitution and point out that he is asking you to violate it?

 

[itsrequired]

I think I understand what you are saying, and in some respects I have to agree with you.
however, the Miranda rights are basically reading the rights from the 5th amendment in the Constitution, so, like it or not, you are complying with the Constitution in that regard. And if not directly from the U.S constitution, most states have a Miranda reading in their constitution.
However, by stopping someone from carrying a handgun, just strapped to their side you are violating the Constitution.
So, the question still remains unanswered, do you uphold the constitution or do you uphold the desires of some liberal panty waste directing you.

At what point, would you say no to an order and refer your superior (or boss since bosses are not always superior), to the constitution and point out that he is asking you to violate it?

Who decides what is constitutional or not? Is it the individual? Is it the executive branch, the legislative branch, or the judicial branch of government.

 

[Ken King]

Who decides what is constitutional or not? Is it the individual? Is it the executive branch, the legislative branch, or the judicial branch of government.

Of course it's itsbob, bcp, and ChrisOnllyn, haven't you been paying attention?

 

[bcp]

Who decides what is constitutional or not? Is it the individual? Is it the executive branch, the legislative branch, or the judicial branch of government.

When does personal common sense over power and allow one to see that whats going on right now is a degradation of our rights?

When does ones memory of history give a clue what is coming next.

We cannot be silent while they take away the one right that was put in place to insure the others were left untouched.

and since I think we can all agree that taking guns from the law abiding citizen does nothing to reduce gun crime, there really is no other explanation as to the intent of disarming the country.

 

[bcp]

Of course it's itsbob, bcp, and ChrisOnllyn, haven't you been paying attention?

I would argue that there are many on here that are not paying attention to a government that is coming close to the 2nd fulfilling its purpose

 

[itsrequired]

When does personal common sense over power and allow one to see that whats going on right now is a degradation of our rights?

When does ones memory of history give a clue what is coming next.

We cannot be silent while they take away the one right that was put in place to insure the others were left untouched.

and since I think we can all agree that taking guns from the law abiding citizen does nothing to reduce gun crime, there really is no other explanation as to the intent of disarming the country.

This isn't really an answer to my question. Who is it that decides if something is constitutional? The individual, judicial, executive, or legislative branch of government?

I have another question, but will wait for this answer.

 

[bcp]

This isn't really an answer to my question. Who is it that decides if something is constitutional? The individual, judicial, executive, or legislative branch of government?

I have another question, but will wait for this answer.

Judicial, and what happens when it becomes corrupted by Justices that think their lifetime experience is more compelling than what the constitution says?

At what point during the corruption of the Supreme Ct, is it justifiable to evoke the 2nd and not overtake the government, but restore it to what it should be.

because right now, the government is being corrupted from the inside.

When do your eyes open to that? how much damage, how many rights, how much wealth distribution will it take before its too much for you too?

 

[PsyOps]

Of course it's itsbob, bcp, and ChrisOnllyn, haven't you been paying attention?

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

I feel this is a pretty simple concept, what does the bolded part mean to you?

And do you see the word 'except' in this amendment? As in '... shall not be infringe... except...'

 

[Ken King]

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I feel this is a pretty simple concept, what does the bolded part mean to you?

And do you see the word 'except' in this amendment? As in '... shall not be infringe... except...'

What it means to me is that our government has declared that most citizens will enjoy the right to keep and bear arms to protect themselves, their families, and property within the guidelines established by Congress. I certainly don't read it as an absolute or the many convicted felons, drug/alcohol abusers, and the mentally ill would retain the right as well.

Is it an absolute right for you or do you have exceptions too?

 

[bcp]

What it means to me is that our government has declared that most citizens will enjoy the right to keep and bear arms to protect themselves, their families, and property within the guidelines established by Congress. I certainly don't read it as an absolute or the many convicted felons, drug/alcohol abusers, and the mentally ill would retain the right as well.

Is it an absolute right for you or do you have exceptions too?

Does protecting my family extend to trying to keep the money I earn to house feed and provide medical insurance for them?
Is my money my property? does it mean that I should be free of excessive tax like rain tax?

as far as your convicted felons, drug/alcohol abusers and the mentally ill, Im am none of the above, why should my rights be restricted because some cases are going to slip through.

My rights are absolute up until a point that I do something that warrants them being denied.

So tell me, can you honestly look at what obama is doing and not say that he is getting close to pushing the edge of a revolution to restore our country?

 

[Ken King]

Does protecting my family extend to trying to keep the money I earn to house feed and provide medical insurance for them?
Is my money my property? does it mean that I should be free of excessive tax like rain tax?

as far as your convicted felons, drug/alcohol abusers and the mentally ill, Im am none of the above, why should my rights be restricted because some cases are going to slip through.

My rights are absolute up until a point that I do something that warrants them being denied.

So tell me, can you honestly look at what obama is doing and not say that he is getting close to pushing the edge of a revolution to restore our country?

Doesn't the Constitution authorize the government to collect taxes?

Your rights are absolute until you do something that warrants their loss? That isn't absolute.

Is Obama pushing for revolution? I don't think so, I agree with little that he does, but I don't think his agenda is to start a new revolutionary war.

 

[PsyOps]

What it means to me is that our government has declared that most citizens will enjoy the right to keep and bear arms to protect themselves, their families, and property within the guidelines established by Congress. I certainly don't read it as an absolute or the many convicted felons, drug/alcohol abusers, and the mentally ill would retain the right as well.

Is it an absolute right for you or do you have exceptions too?

Hmmm... that's interesting. So it's congress that establishes the guidelines of the constitution rather than the constitution establishing the guidelines for congress.

Would it matter if you knew what our founders said? Does it matter to you what their intent was when writing the constitution?

Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man gainst his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. - Tench Coxe

"I ask, Sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them." - George Mason

“Firearms are second only to the Constitution in importance; they are the peoples’ liberty’s teeth” - George Washington

No freeman shall ever be debarred the use of arms. - Thomas Jefferson

Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed - Noah Webster

Notwithstanding the military establishments in the several kingdoms of Europe, which are carried as far as the public resources will bear, the governments are afraid to trust the people with arms. - James Madison

"And that the said Constitution be never construed to authorize Congress to infringe the just liberty of the Press, or the rights of Conscience; or to prevent the people of the United States, who are peaceable citizens, from keeping their own arms." - Samuel Adams

"When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. When the government fears the people, there is liberty." - Thomas Jefferson

 

[PsyOps]

Is Obama pushing for revolution? I don't think so, I agree with little that he does, but I don't think his agenda is to start a new revolutionary war.

In light of everything Obama has done, what did he mean by "fundamentally transform America"? I mean, when you consider that word 'fundamental' I think about what the fundamental document that defines all laws: the constitution.

:shrug:

 

[Ken King]

Hmmm... that's interesting. So it's congress that establishes the guidelines of the constitution rather than the constitution establishing the guidelines for congress.

Would it matter if you knew what our founders said? Does it matter to you what their intent was when writing the constitution?

No the Constitution is the guideline and Congress is tasked to create legislation to carry out the intent of the guidelines.

Nice quotes, seen them before many times. Do you think the intent was that anyone that can afford a fighter aircraft should be allowed to own one, how about a nuke, you good with that? You see it as an absolute right when in reality nothing is absolute but taxes and death.

 

[bcp]

Doesn't the Constitution authorize the government to collect taxes?

Your rights are absolute until you do something that warrants their loss? That isn't absolute.

Is Obama pushing for revolution? I don't think so, I agree with little that he does, but I don't think his agenda is to start a new revolutionary war.

Does the constitution also say that taxes should be collected evenly?

why the progressive rates, why will I pay 10k in taxes a year for obamacare while someone in the inner city pays nothing?

and yes, obama is pushing for a revolution. and I dont agree with a single thing he has done.
he has ignored our immigration laws, he has brought lawsuits against states he has imposed a tax for a healthcare system that is destined to fail and bury the country.
he has failed to present a balanced budget.

so tell me, exactly what has he done that gives reason to respect him in any way?
I respect Hitler more, at least he was honest with his intentions.