Guns: Keep it in your car...............

[nhboy]

Some worried by law that allows drivers to have weapon

" The state's new castle law has grabbed the spotlight. But some say a lesser-known gun law, which also took effect in September, could have greater consequences.

The law allows Texans to carry guns in their cars, even without a concealed handgun license. As long you meet the law's other requirements – such as not being a gang member, refraining from criminal acts and keeping the gun out of sight – you can pack heat in your glove box.

"Castle is just kind of yawn," said Alice Tripp, legislative director for the Texas State Rifle Association. Texans have always enjoyed robust rights of self-defense. But the gun carrying law "is dramatic," she said. "

Some worried by law that allows drivers to have weapon | Dallas Morning News | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas-Fort Worth News | Dallas Morning News

 

[Novus Collectus]

Wish we had that law in MD. In Prince George's county in the past three years there has been between 0.5 and 1.0 carjacking for every 1,000 people.
I am not a statiscian, but it seems if you live in PG county you can have about a one in 1,000 chance of getting brutally dragged out of your car every year and either beat, shot, stabbed, raped or just robbed of your means to get to work to make a living.

It is about time Maryland stopped having it a law that the citizens must be defensless victims to violent crime.

We must pass HB 2 in the General Assembly.

 

[chernmax]

I vote CCW for all law abiding MD residence...

 

[forestal]

Despite leading the country with executions, and vigilante gun laws, Texas is still in the top 20% of all states when it comes to violent crime.

So my theory is that violence, and anything that assists violence, begets more violence. Notice that most of the Blue states are doing much better than the Red states when it comes to violent crimes...

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/US_States_Rate_Ranking.html

Some worried by law that allows drivers to have weapon

" The state's new castle law has grabbed the spotlight. But some say a lesser-known gun law, which also took effect in September, could have greater consequences.

The law allows Texans to carry guns in their cars, even without a concealed handgun license. As long you meet the law's other requirements – such as not being a gang member, refraining from criminal acts and keeping the gun out of sight – you can pack heat in your glove box.

"Castle is just kind of yawn," said Alice Tripp, legislative director for the Texas State Rifle Association. Texans have always enjoyed robust rights of self-defense. But the gun carrying law "is dramatic," she said. "

Some worried by law that allows drivers to have weapon | Dallas Morning News | News for Dallas, Texas | Dallas-Fort Worth News | Dallas Morning News

 

[Novus Collectus]

Despite leading the country with executions, and vigilante gun laws, Texas is still in the top 20% of all states when it comes to violent crime.

Texas did not let citizens carry a handgun in public before 1995. Since Texas has become a shall issue state that issues permits for concealed carry since 1995, the violent crime rate dropped significantly and is much lower today.
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/txcrime.htm

So my theory is that violence, and anything that assists violence, begets more violence.

Good, but self defense is not violence and therefore this law does not assist violence, rather it helps to stop violence.

Notice that most of the Blue states are doing much better than the Red states when it comes to violent crimes...

In the states that passed shall isue, many of them are blue states. Connecticut, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, etc.

Interstingly enough look at the most violent and ranked number one compared to numbers 50 and 51 being the least violent. The place with the most restrictive gun laws in the country, District of Colombia, is number one for violent crime, but Maine which is shall issue and Vermont which is unrestricted carry and has the least restrictive, most liberal gun laws in the country are ranked numbers 50 and 51 being the most safest in the country.

 

[edinsomd]

More of those annoying facts:
Interview with John Lott, author of More Guns, Less Crime
" We know that the type of person who obtains a permit is extremely law-abiding and possibly they are extremely careful in how they take care of their guns. The total number of accidental gun deaths each year is about 1,300 and each year such accidents take the lives of 200 children 14 years of age and under. However, these regrettable numbers of lives lost need to be put into some perspective with the other risks children face. Despite over 200 million guns owned by between 76 to 85 million people, the children killed is much smaller than the number lost through bicycle accidents, drowning, and fires. Children are 14.5 times more likely to die from car accidents than from accidents involving guns."

Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my firearms.
Ed

 

[Novus Collectus]

More of those annoying facts:
Interview with John Lott, author of More Guns, Less Crime
" We know that the type of person who obtains a permit is extremely law-abiding and possibly they are extremely careful in how they take care of their guns. The total number of accidental gun deaths each year is about 1,300 and each year such accidents take the lives of 200 children 14 years of age and under. However, these regrettable numbers of lives lost need to be put into some perspective with the other risks children face. Despite over 200 million guns owned by between 76 to 85 million people, the children killed is much smaller than the number lost through bicycle accidents, drowning, and fires. Children are 14.5 times more likely to die from car accidents than from accidents involving guns."

Ted Kennedy's car has killed more people than my firearms.
Ed

That interview must have been from 1993 because the number of unintentional deaths of children under the age of 15 is only 63 in 2004 and the accidental gun deaths for all ages was only 649 in 2004.
Also the number of privately owned guns in America is around 270 million now.

 

[edinsomd]

That interview must have been from 1993 because the number of unintentional deaths of children under the age of 15 is only 63 in 2004 and the accidental gun deaths for all ages was only 649 in 2004.
Also the number of privately owned guns in America is around 270 million now.

FTA:
"The analysis is based on data for all 3,054 counties in the United States during 18 years from 1977 to 1994."
Good call, the data is a bit dated but still valid.
Ed

 

[chernmax]

Texas did not let citizens carry a handgun in public before 1995. Since Texas has become a shall issue state that issues permits for concealed carry since 1995, the violent crime rate dropped significantly and is much lower today.
http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/txcrime.htm

Good, but self defense is not violence and therefore this law does not assist violence, rather it helps to stop violence.

In the states that passed shall isue, many of them are blue states. Connecticut, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan, etc.

Interstingly enough look at the most violent and ranked number one compared to numbers 50 and 51 being the least violent. The place with the most restrictive gun laws in the country, District of Colombia, is number one for violent crime, but Maine which is shall issue and Vermont which is unrestricted carry and has the least restrictive, most liberal gun laws in the country are ranked numbers 50 and 51 being the most safest in the country.

You just wasted time in your life addressing another one of Forrest his dumb a$$ post...

 

[Novus Collectus]

You just wasted time in your life addressing another one of Forrest his dumb a$$ post...

It is never a waste of time educating the public about the fallacies of restrictive gun control and in this respect Forrestal is helping the RKBA cause by providing yet another opportunity to do so.

 

[bcp]

Interesting.
What do you think it is about PG county that makes this threat so much higher than in other on PG county counties?

 

[Novus Collectus]

Interesting.
What do you think it is about PG county that makes this threat so much higher than in other on PG county counties?

Washington DC and a border with the economicically imoverished areas combined with a poor education system perpetuating the economic strife and therfore increasing the reactive crime.
There is also a large area of similar communities on the MD side of the DC border, but the education system is a bit better. However the crime culture borne of the economic strife has great influence on the young when growing up thereby leading to greater youth crime and when they have a record they have trouble getting work as an adult which also perpetuates the economic strife of many living in those areas which further contributes to crime....etc.
We break the chain and the next generation will be entirely the opposite and crime will be a fraction of before.

 

[Bruzilla]

What we learned in Florida is the value of allowing drivers to keep guns in their cars does not come from armed citizens shooting up would-be robbers and car jackers. The value comes from the behavioral change it imparts in the robbers and carjackers who now have to worry that the car they are approaching contains an armed occupant. It doesn't matter that maybe one in 100,000 drivers will actually have a gun... the fear that a driver could have a gun is enough to make a criminal think twice before approaching a driver in their car.

 

[Novus Collectus]

What we learned in Florida is the value of allowing drivers to keep guns in their cars does not come from armed citizens shooting up would-be robbers and car jackers. The value comes from the behavioral change it imparts in the robbers and carjackers who now have to worry that the car they are approaching contains an armed occupant. It doesn't matter that maybe one in 100,000 drivers will actually have a gun... the fear that a driver could have a gun is enough to make a criminal think twice before approaching a driver in their car.

maybe one in 100,000 drivers will actually have a gun.

Much better chance than that in FL. Around about 1998 to 2003 at least 2.7% of all adults in Florida had a concealed carry permit. That means that without any additional people carrying a gun legally in a car without a permit there could potentially be 2,700 per 100,000 drivers that might have a gun at the least.

 

[toppick08]

I vote CCW for all law abiding MD residence...

 

[Larry Gude]

Let me...

What we learned in Florida is the value of allowing drivers to keep guns in their cars does not come from armed citizens shooting up would-be robbers and car jackers. The value comes from the behavioral change it imparts in the robbers and carjackers who now have to worry that the car they are approaching contains an armed occupant. It doesn't matter that maybe one in 100,000 drivers will actually have a gun... the fear that a driver could have a gun is enough to make a criminal think twice before approaching a driver in their car.

...see if I have this straight;

What you are saying is that there isn't even a need for actual guns, but the fact that it is legal to have one, in and of itself, is making would be criminals behave themselves more so than if they knew their intended victim was unarmed by law? Is that correct?

So, Florida hasn't become Dodge City? Blood isn't running in the streets? In fact, there is LESS violence, less crime, better manners simply because some piece of paper says that it is OK to be armed if you choose to be so?

Huh.

 

[chernmax]

It is never a waste of time educating the public about the fallacies of restrictive gun control and in this respect Forrestal is helping the RKBA cause by providing yet another opportunity to do so.

Well I'm going to have to give you that one...i