Hands Off

[SamSpade]

I keep trying to find out about - "the protests". Unlike the various ones over the years about Trump - like the women's march when he was in office the first time - there's nothing I can find on the news showing large crowds. Only that nationwide protests had petitions with as many as half a million signatures. It's easier to sign something online than to show up in person.

One of the groups I follow online made an observation that squared exactly with my experience - the little protest outside Harris Teeter had maybe two dozne people with signs like "Hands Off" - and my kids said how come they're all old people? Harris crowds usually had people of all ages.

And so I looked at the "Hands Offf" slogan - geez. It's "hands off my benefits" - meaning, Social Security, Medicare, VA and the like. What is the matter with these people? Reducing benefits is the one thing that is nearly 100% absolutely not going to happen - BECAUSE of what they're doing. Now Medicare fraud has been observed for decades - my mom quit her job many years ago, because she was sick of the stealing. Bilking Medicare with frauduent statements - breaking apart bundles covered by insurance so they can bill patients for more money - and so on. Social Security telling DOGE that the overwhelming number of new claimants are fraudsters - even THEY knew that.

You may not trust DOGE - honestly, I am still unsure if they aren't more concerned with reducing the labor force than saving money - but nothing I know of regarding Medicare, SS and VA benefits is going to suffer and if anything - will keep them from going broke.

Who is saying they're going to gut these things ? Where's the evidence?

 

[Kyle]

The hands-off thing should be renamed to brains off.

If they have one, they have to turn it off to believe half the crap they’re spouting.

 

[stgislander]

From what I saw last evening, Jamie Ratskin is the poster boy for Hands Off.

 

[RoseRed]

I posted this yesterday.

 

[vraiblonde]

I think someone needs to explain to them what the word "democracy" means. Both in its colloquial meaning AND it's political meaning. They seem to think it's only democracy if they get what they want, even when they are in the minority.

 

[LightRoasted]

For your consideration ...

They seem to think it's only democracy if they get what they want, even when they are in the minority.

That is the exact meaning of democracy. Where the rights of the majority are trampled upon for the benefit of the minority.

 

[LtownTaxpayer]

For your consideration ...





That is the exact meaning of democracy. Where the rights of the majority are trampled upon for the benefit of the minority.

Actually, our constitutional republic is designed to protect the minority. A straight up democracy is majority rules.

 

[SamSpade]

Not to sift through all of them but some of the whining and caterwauling is cherry-picking at best.

For example - a little while back I checked out the “cutting cancer research “ crap. NIH does cancer research - in fact, a lot of research on a lot of stuff that is wasteful and profoundly stupid.

But because NIH is getting money axed from their stupid ass programs well doesn’t that mean cancer is being curtailed? Oh it doesn’t? Ok, don’t mention that.

 

[LightRoasted]

For your consideration ...

Actually, our constitutional republic is designed to protect the minority. A straight up democracy is majority rules.

Actually, in our Constitutional Republic, the majority rules, while, (and was designed to), protecting the rights and freedoms of everyone from minority, aka mob, rule. That's one reason why there is the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment, in addition to the 9th Amendment to wit:

• The 9th: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
• The 14th: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

The Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and all other amendments are the Supreme Law of the Land

There are no such individual protections of rights in a democracy. Just look to the UK, the EU and Australia etc. for what democracy looks like.

BTW. Among many other rights retained by the people, it is the 9th that also guarantees that women have a right to an abortion, if they so choose. Just not paid for by public tax dollars, that financial burden falls solely upon them. Rightly or wrongly; Me, you, anyone, being for or against abortions has no bearing on this right. The 9th also protects one from not having to get any vaccine. Hint hint.

Funny how the 9th Amendment never gets any recognition for the power it has for people to decide for themselves, to exercise their rights, on how they want to live from government interventions. Without government demanding they do something against their will. People only think of those spelled out in the Bill of Rights and other amendments. If only people knew how to live free.

We are the freest Nation on the entire planet; only because we are a Constitutional Republic. We just have to keep it and rid ourselves of the parasites out to destroy it.

 

[LtownTaxpayer]

For your consideration ...





Actually, in our Constitutional Republic, the majority rules, while, (and was designed to), protecting the rights and freedoms of everyone from minority, aka mob, rule. That's one reason why there is the equal protection clause of the 14th Amendment, in addition to the 9th Amendment to wit:

• The 9th: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
• The 14th: All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

The Constitution, the Bill of Rights, and all other amendments are the Supreme Law of the Land

There are no such individual protections of rights in a democracy. Just look to the UK, the EU and Australia etc. for what democracy looks like.

BTW. Among many other rights retained by the people, it is the 9th that also guarantees that women have a right to an abortion, if they so choose. Just not paid for by public tax dollars, that financial burden falls solely upon them. Rightly or wrongly; Me, you, anyone, being for or against abortions has no bearing on this right. The 9th also protects one from not having to get any vaccine. Hint hint.

Funny how the 9th Amendment never gets any recognition for the power it has for people to decide for themselves, to exercise their rights, on how they want to live from government interventions. Without government demanding they do something against their will. People only think of those spelled out in the Bill of Rights and other amendments. If only people knew how to live free.

We are the freest Nation on the entire planet; only because we are a Constitutional Republic. We just have to keep it and rid ourselves of the parasites out to destroy it.

Thank you for proving my point.

 

[LightRoasted]

For your consideration ...

Thank you for proving my point.

Help me out here. What I said was opposite of what you said. How did I prove your point?

 

[vraiblonde]

Not to sift through all of them but some of the whining and caterwauling is cherry-picking at best.

They just bitch about what the TV and Tik Tok tells them to bitch about. Most of these people have no idea what they're talking about and are pretty hilarious when asked.

Hey hey, ho ho!
Why are we protesting?
We don't know!

 

[SamSpade]

They just bitch about what the TV and Tik Tok tells them to bitch about. Most of these people have no idea what they're talking about and are pretty hilarious when asked.

Hey hey, ho ho!
Why are we protesting?
We don't know!

See, MOST OF THE COMPLAINTS are over stuff that has been either exaggerrated out of all proportion or distorted - or just wild speculation because they STILL THINK he's gonna do stuff he's not going to do.

One of the complaints was "hands off our courts". Oh really - like stacking the Supreme Court, threatening "the whirlwind" and protesting SCOTUS justices AT THEIR HOMES?

Admittedly - the process where you deal with an out of control district judge is the appellate process - OR - you do what they're trying to do - make law that explicitly says, look judge, you can only rule on stuff dealing with litigants in front of you and your own jurisdiction. Honestly don't know how that works, because certainly such cases HAVE been, historically, precedent for later decisions.

BUT you don't impeach judges for bad and politically motivated decisions - you impeach them over CRIMES. And there have BEEN a few removed from the bench. But for crimes. For that, I don't care how much a scumbag a judge is, you don't remove him because he's a politcal shill - you neutralize him with the law.

 

[LtownTaxpayer]

For your consideration

Ignore is a lovely button.

 

[thurley42]

I was up in the city Friday morning....was sitting at a light on Massachusetts, and saw a protest of about a dozen old white ladies with a bull horn....couldn't help but point and laugh at them......

 

[vraiblonde]

See, MOST OF THE COMPLAINTS are over stuff that has been either exaggerrated out of all proportion or distorted - or just wild speculation because they STILL THINK he's gonna do stuff he's not going to do.

Because it's what they do when they're in power. What they *have done* when they were in power.

People on here used to accuse me of getting in their PMs or whatever all the time....because that's what they would do. The boyfriend who accuses you of cheating for no apparent reason.....that guy has a sidepiece.

People telegraph who they are by their wild accusations.

“Accuse your enemy of what you are doing as you are doing it to create confusion.”

Alinsky didn't say that, and neither did Marx. I don't think anyone knows where it came from, but it was almost certainly a Democrat because it's their #1 campaign tactic.

 

[stgislander]

Admittedly - the process where you deal with an out of control district judge is the appellate process - OR - you do what they're trying to do - make law that explicitly says, look judge, you can only rule on stuff dealing with litigants in front of you and your own jurisdiction. Honestly don't know how that works, because certainly such cases HAVE been, historically, precedent for later decisions.

As you know, the inferior courts are a product of Congress, not the Constitution. Congress can tinker with those courts as they see fit. (At least until SCOTUS says they can't. Then you have a constitutional crisis.)

 

[LtownTaxpayer]

I was up in the city Friday morning....was sitting at a light on Massachusetts, and saw a protest of about a dozen old white ladies with a bull horn....couldn't help but point and laugh at them......

Charlie Hurt (Fox & Friends Weekend) interviewed some of the knuckleheads in NYC. They were utterly ridiculous. One woman claimed she was
protesting because Trump was infringing on religious freedom. Charlie asked how was that happening. Deportation of immigrants was her retort. Then was the guy complaining that his first amendment rights were being infringed. Charlie said how when there was a microphone right in front of him. The dude said that Fox would never play it. I have seen the bit way too much.

The protestors have no clue. They are holding the signs that they were given and reading from the script that they have been provider with zero understanding of what they are saying and doing. RESIST!!!

 

[SamSpade]

Because it's what they do when they're in power. What they *have done* when they were in power.

And it goes to how they think - if they declare "this is how things SHOULD be" you can bet they will make sure it is made into law and they will COMPEL people to comply with it. If you shouldn't SAY certain things, rights be damned, they'll make a law forbidding it.

Which is what happens when a Republican says, you know what, we should have prayer in schools - and the left GOES NUTS saying they'll force prayer onto everyone! It'll be a theocracy.

Because if it were THEIR issue, damned skippy they would force it - you need look no further than they way they handled COVID.

You know, I always understood the Horace Greeley letter that Lincoln wrote about slavery to be, look, I can't unilaterally free the slaves - I am President, not God. My job is to save the Union. So many people point to it and say, SEE, he really didn't want to free the slaves. Which is crazy because you only have to look at HIS ENTIRE LIFE to that point that he thought slavery was the greatest evil perpetrated on Earth.

At least - at the time - he believed he could NOT enforce his will upon a nation that wouldn't agree with it.

The Dems have never been so accommodating - if they think guns should be outlawed, eff the Constitution and the will of the people.

 

[vraiblonde]

Hey hey, ho ho!
Why are we protesting?
We don't know!

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