Hermanville DG claims its first victims

glhs837

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Coming home about 20 minutes ago, had to divert onto Wheeler road, all of 235 near the southern exit from the new DG wad blocked, maybe 8 or more responder vehicles.
 

glhs837

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Yeah, I heard it is ugly.

Took longer than I thought it would.
Both that and the gas station need to have left turns from NB 235 restricted with those floppy barrier sticks that first responders can drive over, and the same thing for NB left turns out of both establishments. Wont fix that dam intersection, but it will remove those other crashes for pretty cheap.
 

Sneakers

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I've suggested disallowing businesses to have entrances/exits within 100' of a 4-way intersection. But that will never happen. I avoid them as much as I can.
 

glhs837

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I've suggested disallowing businesses to have entrances/exits within 100' of a 4-way intersection. But that will never happen. I avoid them as much as I can.
I mean you can have them, but dont let them send traffic contra flow.
 

Sneakers

Just sneakin' around....
I mean you can have them, but dont let them send traffic contra flow.
WaWa at 235/4 comes to mind. It's all 'flow' in the right direction, but still a fuster cluck. Cars coming off 4SB onto 235SB and diving into WaWa while traffic from 4NB turns onto 235SB while traffic exits WaWa onto 235SB. Way too many ways to get clocked.

The Harris Teeter entrances are much better, one is set back at least 150' from the intersection, and the other entrance/exit from 4 only has to deal with one lane flow in one direction.

I'm a firm believer that the engineers that rely on computer modeling to design these roads/intersections/parking lots shoud be required to actually drive their creations daily during peak hours. Then go back and update their computer models to reflect the real world.
 
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glhs837

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WaWa at 235/4 comes to mind. It's all 'flow' in the right direction, but still a fuster cluck. Cars coming off 4SB onto 235SB and diving into WaWa while traffic from 4NB turns onto 235SB while traffic exits WaWa onto 235SB. Way too many ways to get clocked.

The Harris Teeter entrances are much better, one is set back at least 150' from the intersection, and the other entrance/exit from 4 only has to deal with one lane flow in one direction.

I'm a firm believer that the engineers that rely on computer modeling to design these roads/intersections/parking lots shoud be required to actually drive their creations daily during peak hours. Then go back and update their computer models to reflect the real world.

True, but 235/4 is a whole different ball game than Hermanville/235.
 

DaSDGuy

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SUV pulled out of DG and headed NB 235. SB 235 vehicle hit the left front of the at-fault SUV. Not a t-bone, thank God.
 

PeoplesElbow

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WaWa at 235/4 comes to mind. It's all 'flow' in the right direction, but still a fuster cluck. Cars coming off 4SB onto 235SB and diving into WaWa while traffic from 4NB turns onto 235SB while traffic exits WaWa onto 235SB. Way too many ways to get clocked.

The Harris Teeter entrances are much better, one is set back at least 150' from the intersection, and the other entrance/exit from 4 only has to deal with one lane flow in one direction.

I'm a firm believer that the engineers that rely on computer modeling to design these roads/intersections/parking lots shoud be required to actually drive their creations daily during peak hours. Then go back and update their computer models to reflect the real world.
This is really the only place I've seen so many entrances on such a heavy traffic road. I'm a big believer that there should be no entrances on 235, only side roads with traffic lights that then take you there. Corporate drive is a prime example, the foot locker and IHOP did not need their own entrance as they could be accessed via corporate drive.
 

spr1975wshs

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This is really the only place I've seen so many entrances on such a heavy traffic road. I'm a big believer that there should be no entrances on 235, only side roads with traffic lights that then take you there. Corporate drive is a prime example, the foot locker and IHOP did not need their own entrance as they could be accessed via corporate drive.
Most places I've lived have had either frontage roads, or proper 4-way intersections.
 

glhs837

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Common denominator: idiot drivers.

Well, a lot more flow.
SUV pulled out of DG and headed NB 235. SB 235 vehicle hit the left front of the at-fault SUV. Not a t-bone, thank God.

Yep, not allowing left turns out of there would help. Same with the gas station. And WaWa near Navfed, and Navfed, and all these other places where people want these four lane crosses to go the other way.
 

3CATSAILOR

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True, but 235/4 is a whole different ball game than Hermanville/235.
Hermanville Road and 235 have always been horrible. A good friend died there. " I " I almost died there!!! I had someone not yield the right of way to me as I was going North on 235. I had a green light. The guy turned left from South bound 235 right in to me. He hit the rear of my Toyota Tacoma. It lifted me up on two tires and made me balance turning an uncontrolled left toward the gas station pumps. Luckily, I didn't panic and turned the wheel enough to counter just as I hit the curb. However, my friend never had a chance. He survived for a few weeks in the hospital and then died. His wife died a year or two later of a broken heart from missing him.

Separately, St. Mary's County used to have a local chapter of the State Highway Safety Committee. For some reason (money probably) it was consolidated to Glen Burnie. Since it is not here, they are out of touch. Out of touch and don't care.
 

LightRoasted

If I may ...
For your consideration ...

A really messed up intersection in Charles County is at the LaPlata 301/Rt 6 intersection. It is always a cluster trying to continue west, or east, on Rt 6 crossing 301. And now the business at the bottom left corner is being transformed into a Panda Express when, fully operational, will constrict traffic even more, (just like to butt-heads that leave the WAWA in California trying to pinch their way in a long line of standing/waiting traffic to go north on 235, or towards Calvert), when the butt-heads leave and want to go east on 6 or north on 301. Too many business egress points all over this intersection area that always causes many to sit through more than one or two light cycles. If you've ever been here, then you know what I'm talking about.


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BernieP

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Well, a lot more flow.


Yep, not allowing left turns out of there would help. Same with the gas station. And WaWa near Navfed, and Navfed, and all these other places where people want these four lane crosses to go the other way.
you can only make a right out of WaWa and Toyota. If you are making a left you be driving south in the NB lanes :eek:
 

glhs837

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you can only make a right out of WaWa and Toyota. If you are making a left you be driving south in the NB lanes :eek:
What happens is they take the immediate right out of Wawa and then head left across three lanes of traffic to hit that turn lane and go down Buck Hewitt. That's the left I mean.
 

PrchJrkr

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What happens is they take the immediate right out of Wawa and then head left across three lanes of traffic to hit that turn lane and go down Buck Hewitt. That's the left I mean.
I did that myself a few times when I worked at PAX. And I mean 2-3. I used to piss people behind me off because I would wait until it was safe to do so. Straight shot baby!
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