High School '57vs '07

[Mike]

Scenario 1:
Jack goes quail hunting before school and then pulls into the school parking lot with his shotgun in his truck's gun rack.

1957 -Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack's shotgun, goes to his car and gets his shotgun to show Jack.
2007 - School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers.

Scenario 2:
Johnny and Mark get into a fist fight after school.

1957 -Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies.
2007 -Police called and SWAT team arrives -- they arrest both Johnny and Mark. They are both charged with assault and both expelled even though Johnny started it.


Scenario 3:

Jeffrey will not be still in class, he disrupts other students.
1957 -Jeffrey sent to the Principal's office and given a good paddling by the Principal. He then returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.
2007 -Jeffrey is given huge doses of Ritalin. He becomes a zombie. He is then tested for ADD. The school gets extra money from the state because Jeffrey has a disability.

Scenario 4:
Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.

1957 -Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college and becomes a successful businessman.
2007 -Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy is removed to foster care and joins a gang. The state psychologist is told by Billy's sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison. Billy's mom has an affair with the psychologist.

Scenario 5:
Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school.

1957 - Mark shares his aspirin with the Principal out on the smoking dock.
2007 - The police are called and Mark is expelled from school for drug violations. His car is then searched for drugs and weapons.

Scenario 6:
Pedro fails high school English.

1957 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English and goes to college.
2007 - Pedro's cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against the state school system and Pedro's English teacher. English is then banned from core curriculum. Pedro is given his diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.

Scenario 7:
Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from the Fourth of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle and blows up a red fire ant mound.

1957 - Ants die.

2007- ATF, Homeland Security and the FBI are all called. Johnny is charged with domestic terrorism. The FBI investigates his parents -- and all siblings are removed from their home and all computers are confiscated. Johnny 's dad is placed on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.

Scenario 8:
Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary hugs him to comfort him.
1957 - In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing.

2007 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in State Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy.

 

[Highlander]

Scenario 1:
Jack goes quail hunting before school and then pulls into the school parking lot with his shotgun in his truck's gun rack.

1957 -Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack's shotgun, goes to his car and gets his shotgun to show Jack.
2007 - School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers.

Scenario 2:
Johnny and Mark get into a fist fight after school.

1957 -Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies.
2007 -Police called and SWAT team arrives -- they arrest both Johnny and Mark. They are both charged with assault and both expelled even though Johnny started it.


Scenario 3:

Jeffrey will not be still in class, he disrupts other students.
1957 -Jeffrey sent to the Principal's office and given a good paddling by the Principal. He then returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.
2007 -Jeffrey is given huge doses of Ritalin. He becomes a zombie. He is then tested for ADD. The school gets extra money from the state because Jeffrey has a disability.

Scenario 4:
Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.

1957 -Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college and becomes a successful businessman.
2007 -Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse. Billy is removed to foster care and joins a gang. The state psychologist is told by Billy's sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison. Billy's mom has an affair with the psychologist.

Scenario 5:
Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school.

1957 - Mark shares his aspirin with the Principal out on the smoking dock.
2007 - The police are called and Mark is expelled from school for drug violations. His car is then searched for drugs and weapons.

Scenario 6:
Pedro fails high school English.

1957 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English and goes to college.
2007 - Pedro's cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against the state school system and Pedro's English teacher. English is then banned from core curriculum. Pedro is given his diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.

Scenario 7:
Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from the Fourth of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle and blows up a red fire ant mound.

1957 - Ants die.

2007- ATF, Homeland Security and the FBI are all called. Johnny is charged with domestic terrorism. The FBI investigates his parents -- and all siblings are removed from their home and all computers are confiscated. Johnny 's dad is placed on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.

Scenario 8:
Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee. He is found crying by his teacher, Mary. Mary hugs him to comfort him.
1957 - In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing.

2007 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in State Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy.

How things have changed. Definitely not for the better. Then again, there are so many screwed up liberals around that actually think we have it better off now. I only wish I was born a few years earlier. The 50s would have been a great era to grow up in.

 

[GWguy]

60s weren't bad either. Scenario 7 I hold near and dear to my heart..... It was every little kids right to craft something that went BOOM!

Scenario 1 - I was on the high school rifle team. They used to give us our guns to take home over the summer recess. Carried them on the bus with a pocket full of 22s.

 

[Cowgirl]

I just have one comment. All of you who talk about "when we were kids..." , do you realize that YOUR generation raised this generation? So, why did you raise a bunch of nancy boys (and girls)?

 

[migtig]

I just have one comment. All of you who talk about "when we were kids..." , do you realize that YOUR generation raised this generation? So, why did you raise a bunch of nancy boys (and girls)?

Actually their generation raised my parents' generation and my generation, and my generation is raising the f'ed up kids/young adults of today. As a woman with no children, I blame the breakdown on my parents' generation that burned bras and marched in the streets demanding equality. Not that there is anything wrong with equality, but it wound up forcing a working woman mentality, which in turn forcefed a demand for a two income household in order to survive. Who is supervising the children while both parents are at work? Who is instilling values and consequences? The parents commute, work, commute, come home exhausted, feel guilty, overindulge their kids. Don't have time or patience, drop off their kids unsupervised at the mall. Etc.

 

[GWguy]

I just have one comment. All of you who talk about "when we were kids..." , do you realize that YOUR generation raised this generation? So, why did you raise a bunch of nancy boys (and girls)?

Didn't have kids, but I don't think the kids have been raised as sissies either (well, yes, there are exceptions to that..). Let's face it, times are different.

Honestly, what would your reaction be if you saw someone get on your child's school bus with a rifle and sit by your child, given today's climate? or saw welt marks on a kid?

 

[Cowgirl]

Actually their generation raised my parents' generation and my generation, and my generation is raising the f'ed up kids/young adults of today. As a woman with no children, I blame the breakdown on my parents' generation that burned bras and marched in the streets demanding equality. Not that there is anything wrong with equality, but it wound up forcing a working woman mentality, which in turn forcefed a demand for a two income household in order to survive. Who is supervising the children while both parents are at work? Who is instilling values and consequences? The parents commute, work, commute, come home exhausted, feel guilty, overindulge their kids. Don't have time or patience, drop off their kids unsupervised at the mall. Etc.

I don't blame it on women demanding equality. Hell, if women hadn't started working then, don't you think they would have had to eventually due to the rising cost of living?

And both parents working is absolutely no excuse for unruly/wild/irresponsible kids. Both my parents worked, and we're not lazy or spoiled or irresponsible.

Things change. :shrug: That's just the way it is.

Didn't have kids, but I don't think the kids have been raised as sissies either (well, yes, there are exceptions to that..). Let's face it, times are different.

Exactly.

 

[migtig]

I don't blame it on women demanding equality. Hell, if women hadn't started working then, don't you think they would have had to eventually due to the rising cost of living?

And both parents working is absolutely no excuse for unruly/wild/irresponsible kids. Both my parents worked, and we're not lazy or spoiled or irresponsible.

Things change. :shrug: That's just the way it is.



Exactly.

IMHO, again, I am not knocking equality. As a woman who has had a very successful career, I credit the women who came before me. However, if there hadn't been such a push for women in the workplace, equal pay etc., then there wouldn't have been such a rising workforce to tax and spend and therefore there wouldn't have been such a huge jump in COL which then made it so that both parents were not given the option, but forced to work.

But it's kind of like the question about which came first - the chicken or the egg?

Today more and more people live in "suburbs" and commute to jobs. Different than when my parents worked right around the corner. One or the other parent was home right after getting off work or in some cases, right after the kids got off the buses. Now, even if most parents go straight home after work - you are looking at an hour easily before they make it home. Which leads to more kids being unsupervised. You've got two exhausted parents arriving home, not checking up on their kids any more than to ensure they are alive. One or both parents slipping off to catch up on work they've brought home, errands, household chores, etc. and sticking kids in front of tvs or internet unsupervised. If the parents are off from work, then the kids get dropped off at the mall for the day unsupervised, because mom and dad have so much other stuff that needs to get done and they just don't have the time to accomplish otherwise. I'm not saying every household is like this. There are stay at home parents. There are parents that work closer to home, and there are parents who make it a point to supervise everything their kids are doing. But it's a matter of available time for many parents. There aren't enough hours in the day. If you have unsupervised kids getting their education from peers and the internet and tv reality shows, then no wonder we have a messed up generation of kids coming up. And again, imho, it comes from society forcing both parents to work in order to survive.

 

[frogman123]

IMHO, again, I am not knocking equality. As a woman who has had a very successful career, I credit the women who came before me. However, if there hadn't been such a push for women in the workplace, equal pay etc., then there wouldn't have been such a rising workforce to tax and spend and therefore there wouldn't have been such a huge jump in COL which then made it so that both parents were not given the option, but forced to work.

But it's kind of like the question about which came first - the chicken or the egg?

Today more and more people live in "suburbs" and commute to jobs. Different than when my parents worked right around the corner. One or the other parent was home right after getting off work or in some cases, right after the kids got off the buses. Now, even if most parents go straight home after work - you are looking at an hour easily before they make it home. Which leads to more kids being unsupervised. You've got two exhausted parents arriving home, not checking up on their kids any more than to ensure they are alive. One or both parents slipping off to catch up on work they've brought home, errands, household chores, etc. and sticking kids in front of tvs or internet unsupervised. If the parents are off from work, then the kids get dropped off at the mall for the day unsupervised, because mom and dad have so much other stuff that needs to get done and they just don't have the time to accomplish otherwise. I'm not saying every household is like this. There are stay at home parents. There are parents that work closer to home, and there are parents who make it a point to supervise everything their kids are doing. But it's a matter of available time for many parents. There aren't enough hours in the day. If you have unsupervised kids getting their education from peers and the internet and tv reality shows, then no wonder we have a messed up generation of kids coming up. And again, imho, it comes from society forcing both parents to work in order to survive.

I know that you said your statement "doesn’t apply to everyone", but who are you to say anything if you yourself are not a parent? Believe it or not, some people get past themselves after work to have good, quality times with their kids. Just because someone works all day and has an hour commute does not mean they neglect their kids! And everyone should work! Most people enjoy the feeling of accomplishment by having a career. No one is forced. Now, if someone is uneducated and makes 10$ an hour, sure, both parents will probably have to work, but who is a fault for that? The parents for not receiving an education. You make your own life. You live how you want to live, one of the benefits of living in the U.S. I'm rambling, but don't make assumptions when you have no personal basis.