History of The Crusades

Starman3000m

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With all due respect to historic and theological accuracy, it needs to be pointed out that the "crusades" were waged by the ideology of Roman Catholicism; not the Christianity that Jesus taught. This is a very common misunderstanding since the Vatican falsely claims that Roman Catholicism is exclusively "Christian." If this were the case, why were Protestants and Evangelical Christians persecuted and slaughtered right along with Jews and Muslims during the period of the crusades? Perhaps the following info will help clarify this a bit more:

The "Crusades" were instigated by the Roman Catholic Church which sought to get out from under the rule of Islam. The Vatican blessed the Crusades as a method for Roman Catholicism to regain the power they had been enjoying for many years. Muslims and Jews were not the only ones slaughtered during the crusades - so were Protestant and Evangelical Christians along with people from all other religions that would not submit to the Vatican.

Check historical facts on this one.

[1]History of Crusades

“The Spanish Inquisition was used for both political and religious reasons. Spain is a nation-state that was born out of religious struggle between numerous different belief systems including Catholicism, Islam, Protestantism and Judaism. Following the Crusades and the Reconquest of Spain by the Christian Spaniards the leaders of Spain needed a way to unify the country into a strong nation. Ferdinand and Isabella chose Catholicism to unite Spain and in 1478 asked permission of the pope to begin the Spanish Inquisition to purify the people of Spain. They began by driving out Jews, Protestants and other non-believers.”

“Around the 1540s the Spanish Inquisition turned its fire on the Protestants in Spain in an attempt to further unify the nation. The Spanish Inquisition's reign of terror was finally suppressed in 1834.”

[2] “The Spanish Inquisition was executed at the request of Isabella. She was a very pious and devout Catholic. One of her advisors, who would later become the first General Inquisitor, was Thomas de Torquemada. A rumor exists that while advising the queen in her youth, Thomas had her take a vow that should she ever reach the throne, she would devote herself to the termination of heresy and the persecution of the Jews (Roth, 1964), which at the time seemed unlikely. Now, however, she was in a position to do what she had vowed to do. Besides, the queen had already said she wanted "one country, one ruler, one faith" (N. Dirksen and M. Johnson, The Spanish Inquisition's Effect on the Church, 1996).

[3]The Catholic sovereigns were determined to have a united country, and they did not believe this ambition could be achieved unless all their subjects accepted one religion. This they were determined to bring about through persuasion, if possible, and if not, by force. Spain under Isabella and Ferdinand was ripe for the Inquisition; that was why the cruel institution was embraced so heartily and continued to survive until the nineteenth century.”(J. Plaidy, The Spanish Inquisition, 1967, p.86).

Conclusion: "Christianity" is a Jewish Sect.
Adherents to pseudo-Christian cults/religions do indeed pervert the teachings of Y'shua haMashiach who taught love for fellow man, rebuked false teachers and offers Salvation through His Atonement alone. The original followers of Y'shua were all Jewish people who were dubbed "Christian" by the Romans and Orthodox Jews as a "label" identifying the new movement that Y'shua taught.

[1] http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2005/118/52.0.html
[2] http://campus.northpark.edu/history/WebChron/WestEurope/SpanInqui.html
[3] http://www.bibletopics.com/biblestudy/64.htm

Note: Links to Internet Sources may be outdated. The information quoted corresponds to the links posted which were once available on line.
 
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Starman3000m

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nhboy said:
You're right, all your links are dead.

LOL Yes, the links are dead but the Truth Is Not.
The information was gathered about three years ago while doing research on Islam and the Crusades. Most libraries should have the books referenced, or, the info may be on line at other sites.
 

jrt_ms1995

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Starman3000m said:
The "Crusades" were instigated by the Roman Catholic Church which sought to get out from under the rule of Islam.
Check historical facts on this one.

[1]History of Crusades

“The Spanish Inquisition was used for both political and religious reasons. Spain is a nation-state that was born out of ...

When was the RCC under the rule of Islam?

The Crusades had ended centuries before the Inquisition, so what do you think they have to do with one another?

For anyone interested in an actual history of the Crusades, vice whatever these dead links would have led to, read "The Crusades" by Zoe Oldenbourg if you can locate a copy (and, no, you can't borrow mine. :nerd: )
 

Starman3000m

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jrt_ms1995 said:
When was the RCC under the rule of Islam?

The Crusades had ended centuries before the Inquisition, so what do you think they have to do with one another?

For anyone interested in an actual history of the Crusades, vice whatever these dead links would have led to, read "The Crusades" by Zoe Oldenbourg if you can locate a copy (and, no, you can't borrow mine. :nerd: )

Spain, once controlled by Roman Catholicism rule/influence, fell to the rule of Islam. The RCC helped regain its upper hand through the Crusades.
No - the Vatican was not under control, the subjects of the RCC in Spain were.

As far as "actual history" it always depends on who writes and puts their own spin on history. I suggest reading your version but read other sides as well to get the complete picture.
 

nhboy

Ubi bene ibi patria
Starman3000m said:
LOL Yes, the links are dead but the Truth Is Not.
The information was gathered about three years ago while doing research on Islam and the Crusades. Most libraries should have the books referenced, or, the info may be on line at other sites.

Is this the paper your discussion is based upon?
LINK
 

Starman3000m

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nhboy said:
Is this the paper your discussion is based upon?
LINK

Yes, I had not seen the complete document. Thanks.
The original (non-working/outdated links) are the source of the quotes that were derived from that paper. Those, of course, deal with the Inquisition -not the Crusades as jrt_ms1995 mentioned but still received endorsement of papal authority as mentioned in the article:

"A few months later, at the urging of the heads of the Spanish church, Pope Sixtus issued a Papal Bull giving authority for an Inquisition. However, the authorization was actually given to the Spanish crown. They were to be the ones who would appoint the bishops to complete the Inquisition."

Then, the papacy "washes his hands", as noted here:

"It has been suggested that this was an ethnic, as well as religious, purification. The difference between the Spanish Inquisition and the Papal Inquisition was that the Spanish Inquisition was turned over to secular authorities. The secular authorities were the ones who were in charge of the maintenance and perpetuation of the Inquisition."

And Spain remains loyal to the Vatican?
 
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Starman3000m

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History of the Crusades: (These links should work)

"Pope Urban II, in a speech at Clermont in France in November 1095, called for a great Christian expedition to free Jerusalem from the Seljuk Turks, a new Muslim power that had recently begun actively harassing peaceful Christian pilgrims traveling to Jerusalem. The pope was spurred by his position as the spiritual head of Western Europe, by the temporary absence of strong rulers in Germany (the Holy Roman Empire) or France who could either oppose or take over the effort, and by a call for help from the Byzantine emperor, Alexius I. These various factors were genuine causes, and at the same time, useful justifications for the pope’s call for a Crusade. In any case, Urban’s speech—well reported in several chronicles—appealed to thousands of people of all classes. It was the right message at the right time."

http://encarta.msn.com/encyclopedia_761561210/Crusades.html

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"The papacy gained the most from the Crusades. Its authority was greatly increased. The power of European kings also increased in that a number of barons who had given them trouble went to the East.4"

http://gbgm-umc.org/umw/bible/crusades.stm
 
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