Hollywood: “Diversity! Inclusion! Wait….not us, though!”

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film producers and directors will be required to submit to the Academy a dossier of the sort that points to the race, gender, sexual orientation and disability status of their film’s cast and crew members.
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They left in a huge loophole.

Just hire a bunch of whatever group you need. Give them the job as caterer, gopher, deputy assistant to the 3rd makeup artist. Then you can cast whoever you want for the movie roles.
 
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Well - I get it. It may be art - but it's also a business. You can make all the artsy films you like - the ones that typically lose money, but if you don't have a stellar blockbuster every once in a while, your studio goes away. If you Google flops of 20xx - (where xx is the two digit year, of course) - it will give you lists and it isn't hard to guess why a lot of people didn't watch the movie that went down.

And a lot of them - it was because someone wanted to make a movie with characters the audience didn't identify with, but that Hollywood somehow decided needed to be made.
 
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SamSpade said:
Well - I get it. It may be art - but it's also a business. You can make all the artsy films you like - the ones that typically lose money, but if you don't have a stellar blockbuster every once in a while, your studio goes away. If you Google flops of 20xx - (where xx is the two digit year, of course) - it will give you lists and it isn't hard to guess why a lot of people didn't watch the movie that went down.

And a lot of them - it was because someone wanted to make a movie with characters the audience didn't identify with, but that Hollywood somehow decided needed to be made.
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See, I disagree. I enjoy all kinds of movies I don't identify with and can't relate to. Boyz in the Hood and Do the Right Thing for two. In fact I can't identify or relate to most movies I see, they're just entertaining.

Hollywood is so bigoted and out of touch that they think black characters in movies have to be BLACK!! and gay characters have to be GAY!!! As in their blackness or gayness is the focal point. You don't see too many movies where the black or gay character just happens to be that way and it has nothing to do with the plot.

But here in the real world we all know black people who are just black, and gay people who are just gay. It's merely a trait and not something that comes up in every encounter with them. My Best Friend's Wedding is the only movie that comes to mind where the gay character is just gay and it's not a major plot point, except maybe to explain why he and Julia Roberts don't get together.

Most movies could have an incidentally gay or black character and few people would even notice. But instead they make movies where the character being black or gay or whatever IS the plot. Because they're a pack of bigots who'd rather bitch and cry about implementing the diversity they claim to love.
 
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vraiblonde said:
See, I disagree. I enjoy all kinds of movies I don't identify with and can't relate to. Boyz in the Hood and Do the Right Thing for two. In fact I can't identify or relate to most movies I see, they're just entertaining.

Hollywood is so bigoted and out of touch that they think black characters in movies have to be BLACK!! and gay characters have to be GAY!!! As in their blackness or gayness is the focal point. You don't see too many movies where the black or gay character just happens to be that way and it has nothing to do with the plot.

But here in the real world we all know black people who are just black, and gay people who are just gay. It's merely a trait and not something that comes up in every encounter with them. My Best Friend's Wedding is the only movie that comes to mind where the gay character is just gay and it's not a major plot point, except maybe to explain why he and Julia Roberts don't get together.

Most movies could have an incidentally gay or black character and few people would even notice. But instead they make movies where the character being black or gay or whatever IS the plot. Because they're a pack of bigots who'd rather bitch and cry about implementing the diversity they claim to love.
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I agree with that, I can't exactly relate to someone that is haunted or has a robot covered in human flesh trying to kill them but I love watching that crap.

Get Out was a great movie and so was Us and those were black main characters. Black Panther would have been a good movie, except it was just a rehash of every damn super hero movie ever made, the heros neglected brother, cousin whatever is jealous and comes back to kill them. (sick of super hero movies btw, except Dead Pool) I really liked both seasons of Luke Cage on Netflix but not Iron Fist or even Daredevil.
 
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vraiblonde said:
See, I disagree. I enjoy all kinds of movies I don't identify with and can't relate to. Boyz in the Hood and Do the Right Thing for two. In fact I can't identify or relate to most movies I see, they're just entertaining.
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Actually, had I not deleted the second half of my post, you'd see that we don't. My wife, my mom and I enjoy tremendously movies with casts that are non-white. My wife was actually REALLY pissed that I watched Crazy Rich Asians with my mom and not with her - because it's a really good story. And we all liked Black Panther (even though Wakanda Forever was kind of dull). But some movies are clearly made for an African-American audience, and sometimes, I can't enjoy it because I really only half know what the hell is going on. I could list the ones we liked - but I also GET something else - and

I have a Chinese daughter and an African American daughter - as you know - and they are VERY OFTEN in groups or situations where they are the only one there that is Asian or African - and I get that. I have visited churches of my denomination while out of town, and I considered all the people there my brothers and sisters - even if none of them were my race - but it CAN be a comfort to be with other who ARE. I know my girls feel that way. When you go to a country where everyone there is a different race - sometimes you might find yourselves drawn towards someone who ISN'T different.

So I DO get that, with movies and TV shows -

What I don't get is when the difference is sexual preference, and their difference is constantly woven into the story line - when it really doesn't need to be. They HAD TO MAKE the character Buzz Lightyear's doll is made after gay - but it wasn't necessary - and the viewers voted with their feet. But in Crazy Rich Asians, there are a couple characters who are gay, and it's just who they are. No big deal is made of it.
 
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Does anyone read? There is a very popular writer named James Patterson.
His favorite character is a guy name Alex Cross. a black detective who has a large family
He also writes about a woman Police Officer who is also one of his heroes.

His books are not bad, but I question narratives of black detectives and women police officers when his picture on the books show him to be an obvious white man. Now I don't care about that really if the book is good and most of them are, but is his writing about blacks and women ,I forget the term but is that stealing their identity like wearing a black costume at Halloween?
 
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Looks like Disney - Pixar's latest woke offering, "Elements," is headed for a financially disappointing weekend.
 
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Hijinx said:
Does anyone read? There is a very popular writer named James Patterson.
His favorite character is a guy name Alex Cross. a black detective who has a large family
He also writes about a woman Police Officer who is also one of his heroes.

His books are not bad, but I question narratives of black detectives and women police officers when his picture on the books show him to be an obvious white man. Now I don't care about that really if the book is good and most of them are, but is his writing about blacks and women ,I forget the term but is that stealing their identity like wearing a black costume at Halloween?
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James Patterson has a good following of his books. What would new sales do if it shows a black detective on the cover. Would new readers pick up the book .?
 
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