Honda Brake Recall

GWguy

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Honda to recall 412,000 autos for brakes - Autos- msnbc.com

Honda has traced the problem to the device that powers the electronic stability control system, which selectively brakes each of the wheels to keep the vehicles upright during an emergency situation.

When the device, called a "vehicle stability assist modulator," tests itself when the vehicles are started, it allows a small amount of air into the hydraulic brake lines.
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No one is immune from recalls.
 
itsbob

itsbob

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Penn said:
That does not sound right at all. I'm not disputing what you're saying, but isn't your braking system supposed to be sealed as in no air in the system?

That is why certfied mechanics "bleed" the brakes after installing new pads, calipers and brake hoses, etc., or so I have been told.
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DUR.. they're supposed to be, hence THE PROBLEM!!
 
Penn

Penn

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itsbob said:
DUR.. they're supposed to be, hence THE PROBLEM!!
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Ok, then how did this get by the saftey/quality control inspectors? Nobody in the manufacturing plants noticed the problems this would cause?

Major mess-up here!
 
itsbob

itsbob

I bowl overhand
Penn said:
Ok, then how did this get by the saftey/quality control inspectors? Nobody in the manufacturing plants noticed the problems this would cause?

Major mess-up here!
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Again... HENCE the recall!!

Happens everyday, why is this one anymore or less different than all the others?
 
glhs837

glhs837

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Penn said:
Ok, then how did this get by the saftey/quality control inspectors? Nobody in the manufacturing plants noticed the problems this would cause?

Major mess-up here!
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Okay, from what I'm seeing, and details are scant, what happened is that the modulators "were assembled in such manner that small amounts of air enter during self check".

Now, it takes time(meaning turn on and turn off cycles), and lots of it, for there to be enough air to make a difference. What it sounds like is that somewhere on the line, one guy who was supposed to adding something on the threads, or pre-lubricating a gasket lubricating, just flat wasnt.

So, what happens is this. Design gets built, and tested. Test item, of course, is assembled properly. Passes the 500,000 cycle test with flying colors. The ones built during assembly line start up, those are built right too. Two years in, Schmuckatelli joins the crew. Vehicles pass Q/A, becuase it takes say 15,000 start/stop cycles for enough air to bleed in, and no factory Q/A does that amount of test, even on vehicles that are pulled for a complete teardown.

Not a bid deal, I dont think.

Oh, hold on, I think I see it now. All it takes is one line....

Honda to recall 410,000 vehicles for brake problem - Yahoo! News

Drivers who fear that they've lost braking power should have their dealer check the brakes sooner, Martin said. The dealer can "bleed" air bubbles out of the hydraulic lines, which should fix the problem until the parts arrive for the final repair, he said.

Honda technicians will put plastic caps and sealant over two small holes in the device to stop the air from getting in, Martin said.
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Looks like some sort of factory bleed hole in the modulator wasnt getting sealed.
 
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