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[Bann]

What about people like me, who have insurance that we buy on our own - but work for small businessmen?

Will my employer be forced to provide my insurance OR will he just be able to pay (part of) the amount I pay for my premiums? Then will the government will turn around and TAX ME on something they consider a benefit??!!

Additionally, If I am forced to accept any other insurance policy except for a high deductible plan, then I will lose my Health Savings Account.

And if my employer is forced to do that - then he may well get rid of employees.

 

[Larry Gude]

As true as that is, the fact is that the country will not vote in a third party right now.

That mind set makes me absolutely 100% bat #### crazy.

What you just said is "Us sheep simply ain't gonna stop being sheep. I mean, I'd love to stop being a sheep but, seeings how no one else is gonna stop being a sheep, I may as well hang with the herd and act surprised with the rest of the sheep at the next slaughter. Now, if some sheep stopped acting like sheep, I might consider it, too! until then...baaaaaaaaaaa."

 

[Bann]

As true as that is, the fact is that the country will not vote in a third party right now.
So, at least as far as health care goes, I have to say that the republicans, those that fought against it, those that tried to shut it down, were doing exactly what I would have wanted them to do in this instance.

Speaking only for myself - I am not advocating in any way a third party. I am only speaking of voting ALL THE BUMS OUT. And getting new blood in.

 

[Tilted]

Lets not forget their idea to tax Medicare payments as investments.

I think you are probably referring to the changes that would have Medicare payroll taxes apply to investment income in some cases.

 

[Bann]

No, I am not wrong.

I said they handed the GOP a clear path. I didn't say they'd take it.

Yes, this is a clear path. John Boehner's passion at the podium last night was great to see. But I couldn't help wondering where the hell that fire in his belly was in 2008? (Or even 2009.)

 

[Larry Gude]

Speaking only for myself - I am not advocating in any way a third party. I am only speaking of voting ALL THE BUMS OUT. And getting new blood in.

Including the 'bums' that have been doing the right things?

 

[Larry Gude]

Yes, this is a clear path. John Boehner's passion at the podium last night was great to see. But I couldn't help wondering where the hell that fire in his belly was in 2008? (Or even 2009.)

Or 2006
Or 2004
Or 2002

 

[Tilted]

'A myriad' or 'myriad'?

I think both uses are acceptable. If not, we'll just call it poetic license, or a rhetorical flourish, or some such thing.

 

[Bann]

Including the 'bums' that have been doing the right things?

No. I'm operating on little sleep this am. Stayed up past my bedtime & am trying to decipher all I can this am before I get ready for work.

We'll have to pick and choose the bums.

 

[Larry Gude]

No. I'm operating on little sleep this am. Stayed up past my bedtime & am trying to decipher all I can this am before I get ready for work.

We'll have to pick and choose the bums.

Good deal. No throwing perfectly good babies out with the bathwater.

 

[Bann]

Or 2006
Or 2004
Or 2002

Well yeah -Ok. Quit nitpicking! My point was good!

 

[bcp]

I think you are probably referring to the changes that would have Medicare payroll taxes apply to investment income in some cases.

well I suppose that I wont see a single penny more in any taxes or fees because of this.
Its a miracle, its totally free. wont cost anything at all.

why wasnt this done before, no,, if its going to actually save money by doing a little, the doing more should actually make money, so if we cover the entire worlds population, we should all be rolling in cash in a very short time.

 

[Larry Gude]

I think both uses are acceptable. If not, we'll just call it poetic license, or a rhetorical flourish, or some such thing.

See? THIS is where it all goes down hill; total lack of respect for proper usage.

 

[Larry Gude]

well I suppose that I wont see a single penny more in any taxes or fees because of this.

And that is the KEY; that you don't see it.

You don't see a dollar you don't physically have to pay.

Withholding
Third party payer

You don't see a raise you never got. You don't see a business close that never opened. You don't see a profit you never had.

That is THE KEY, that we not rouse the rabble by making them actually pay for...the things they are paying for.

 

[Larry Gude]

Well yeah -Ok. Quit nitpicking! My point was good!

I'm not picking the nits. I'm picking at the big, fat juicy bugs right under our noses! Get rid of the big bugs and there won't be no nits!

 

[Tilted]

Here are my questions. Was anyone here around and politically aware when Medicare was passed into law? Was there as much concern and general foreboding at the time that significant expansion of the size and scope of government came into being? I'd ask the same thing of Social Security, but that's probably a stretch time wise (that people here were politically aware at the time of its passage).

 

[Larry Gude]

Here are my questions. Was anyone here around and politically aware when Medicare was passed into law? Was there as much concern and general foreboding at the time that significant expansion of the size and scope of government came into being? I'd ask the same thing of Social Security, but that's probably a stretch time wise (that people here were politically aware at the time of its passage).

No, I was not. However, my institutional memory, family and friends were, and the answer to your second question is 'yes' if we're talking about folks opposed to socialism. It is 'no' if your asking about the many, many socialism inclined among us.

My grandfather, passed away in 1977, was said to despise and fear FDR for the very same reasons folks despise and fear Obama; overt socialist. During the advent of social security, the same arguments against were the core of the opposition; what it would become, and all we need do is look at what it is now to see that, *gasp* simple logic worked then and, probably, works now. Same for Medicare.

How this stuff works is nothing new under the sun, either from the pro or anti socialism viewpoint.

 

[Tilted]

well I suppose that I wont see a single penny more in any taxes or fees because of this.
Its a miracle, its totally free. wont cost anything at all.

why wasnt this done before, no,, if its going to actually save money by doing a little, the doing more should actually make money, so if we cover the entire worlds population, we should all be rolling in cash in a very short time.

It's certainly not free and it certainly won't not cost anything. I don't even think its most ardent supporters would assert that it is or will.

Even more problematic than the costs that will come to us in the collective as taxpayers, will be the effects (with regard to cost, quality and liberties) that the new rules will have on health care and health insurance in general.

 

[Larry Gude]

It's certainly not free and it certainly won't not cost anything. I don't even think its most ardent supporters would assert that it is or will.

Even more problematic than the costs that will come to us in the collective as taxpayers, will be the effects (with regard to cost, quality and liberties) that the new rules will have on health care and health insurance in general.

The what???

 

[Bann]

I'm not picking the nits. I'm picking at the big, fat juicy bugs right under our noses! Get rid of the big bugs and there won't be no nits!

I think the tide is going to change. There are still some good ones in Congress. Off the top of my head - Mike Pence, Michelle Bachmann, Paul Ryan, Eric Cantor to name a few. They have the fire in their bellies. They have been doing Yeoman's work these past few months, as well. I think they are the future leadership of the GOP in Congress.