How does Obama answer THIS?

[vraiblonde]

it is all consuming to them and they will stop at nothing to see it overturned.

Actually, they're fairly consumed with gay marriage. I think abortion might be #2 at this point.

And you're talking about fundies, which is a very small percentage of Christians. Most of my friends are Christians, and they couldn't care less about abortion or gay marriage.

 

[Go G-Men]

Why?

I'm pro-abortion, but if they outlawed it tomorrow, that would be fine with me, too. So what? What's your big deal with abortion?

My problem with "outlawing" abortion is this: The same people who dispise abortion will do nothing for the woman they are gonna force to go through with unwanted pregnancies. Oh yeah they give it lip service and some churches actually give a little money to that end. Ultimately I personally believe that the woman who choose to have an abortion feel they have no other option and they should have a voice.

I said this earlier: I you haven't walked a mile in their shoes don't think so highly of yourself as to tell them how to walk that mile!

 

[Go G-Men]

Actually, they're fairly consumed with gay marriage. I think abortion might be #2 at this point.

And you're talking about fundies, which is a very small percentage of Christians. Most of my friends are Christians, and they couldn't care less about abortion or gay marriage.

I am talking about Christian fundamentalist.... Not all christian are trying to play God but there are some and there numbers are growing. I could care less about gay marriage.... I believe "Gay Marriage" to be an oxymoron!!

 

[Bann]

Abortion Survivor Calls Out Obama in New Ad - The Brody File: David Brody Blog - CBN News






Good lord.

When I saw her last night on H & C, I could not believe my ears. And Colmes looked like he wanted to dig a hole and crawl into it.

 

[vraiblonde]

Ultimately I personally believe that the woman who choose to have an abortion feel they have no other option and they should have a voice.

I said this earlier: I you haven't walked a mile in their shoes don't think so highly of yourself as to tell them how to walk that mile!

Well, indeed they have other options.

Option #1:
Quit having irresponsible sex until you are ready for children.

Option #2:
Have your abortion in the early stages so you're not a ghoul who sucks out baby brains.

Option #3:
Give birth and make someone else's dreams come true by putting your baby up for adoption. Just because you don't want it doesn't mean nobody does.

And I have walked in their shoes, with the exception that I chose to have my baby.

 

[Bann]

Okay, then let's talk about a slippery slope:

1. Abortion becomes legal for women. It's argued that the fetus is unviable tissue mass that cannot live outside the mother's womb, therefore it is of no more consequence than a fingernail clipping.
2. Abortion becomes more popular and less stigmatized. Now fetuses are being aborted in the second trimester.
3. Some ghoul invents partial birth abortion, where you jam a scalpel into the full-term infant's head while it is still in the womb, destroying it's brain and collapsing its head. Then you suck it out with a vacuum.
4. Unsuccessful abortions result in live births. These live babies, living outside the mother's womb, are killed or left to die.

So let me tell you who *I* do not trust, and that is the aborticide crowd.

 

[Go G-Men]

Well, indeed they have other options.

Option #1:
Quit having irresponsible sex until you are ready for children.

Option #2:
Have your abortion in the early stages so you're not a ghoul who sucks out baby brains.

Option #3:
Give birth and make someone else's dreams come true by putting your baby up for adoption. Just because you don't want it doesn't mean nobody does.

And I have walked in their shoes, with the exception that I chose to have my baby.

Option 1: Sorry but not every one is as responsible as you think they should. The gall of some young people.. sheesh

Option2: I agree with you...

Option 3: This is true. Someone elses dream: A perfect beautiful "WHITE BABY". Unfortunately they don't all come in that flavor!!

And I have walked in their shoes, with the exception that I chose to have my baby. No you walked in your shoes... Their may be different!!

 

[hotmomma]

I watched the clip. That guy that was for Obama wouldn't let the poor woman get a word in. I'm pro-choice but there has to be a limit. How can anyone with a conscience have a late abortion? What kind of doctor would perform such a horrific thing? When I was pregnant I would always go online and track how the baby was developing. It was amazing watching how fast everything developed. Seeing that, I would never personally be able to go through with an abortion. We educate people, there are a lot of birth control methods, and stores sell the morning after pill over the counter. Why can't people just start being smarter and start preventing pregnancy if your not ready? I know that will never happen but its nice to dream.

*I also had watched another clip a while ago that another formite had posted about live birth abotions. I cried my eyes out. That was the first time I had heard of this and wish I would have stayed in the dark.

 

[ItalianScallion]

Did someone earlier say that being fearful of Christians was part of the problem..... Oprah Winfrey may be a leftist nut with wacky nut jub but EVIL.... Please!!!

By the way I do not consider myself a Christian and have never stated myself self as such but I did have a Christian upbringing. During that upbringing "tolerance and peace" were discussed not hate towards those that think differently than us. You were obviously taught differently..

I don't see alot of difference between you and Reverend Wright!!!

Finally as a man who does not call himself a Christian but who does believe in God (not to be miss conscrewed with Jesus) I believe god gave us a mind to make decision and as such we should all to AN EXTENT be allowed to make those decisions. Our country was is based on a document which clearly states that although we believe in God, Gods law will not govern this country.

1) You are getting way off topic.
2) Oprah is very evil. Jesus said: one way to Heaven, she said many ways.
3) As a typical non Christian you talk about tolerance but won't show it towards us. ("bcp" made this point nicely).
4) Nice try; comparing me to "rev" wrong...
5) No Jesus NO God. Can't separate them, sorry.
And the Bible says otherwise about God's law governing this country. Go re-read what the founding fathers said. You need a history lesson too I see.

On a side note: Ever read "The Left Behind Series".. Barack Obama???? HMMMM... Food for thought!
P.S. I might feel better if I believed in the book of revelations???

Tim LaHaye is another case. He's about as qualified to write about end times as Oprah is.

 

[Go G-Men]

1) You are getting way off topic.
2) Oprah is very evil. Jesus said: one way to Heaven, she said many ways.
3) As a typical non Christian you talk about tolerance but won't show it towards us. ("bcp" made this point nicely).
4) Nice try; comparing me to "rev" wrong...
5) No Jesus NO God. Can't separate them, sorry.
And the Bible says otherwise about God's law governing this country. Go re-read what the founding fathers said. You need a history lesson too I see.

Tim LaHaye is another case. He's about as qualified to write about end times as Oprah is.

I will and have shown tolerance towards Christians in the past and will do so in the future. I just won't turn the country over to them without my say or vote. I am glad John McCain won the nomination rather than some right wing conservative who I could not vote for. There are many issues facing this country and honestly abortion is not even in the top 5.

The comparison between you and the rev is correct as far as I am concerned. He has no tolerance for whites and you have no tolerance for those who don't believe as you.

The bottom line is your argument is no argument at all. If you have no answer you say "because Jesus says so" or "the bible says so".. I believe they are one and the same.

Tim Lahaye wrote a pretty stirring and non-antiquated version on the revelations. I did not see the problem with it. I read the whole series and enjoyed it completely.

P.S. I wasn't aware that the Bible mentioned the United States of America... But I will check again as you asked... Get back to you soon.

Just checked and No mention of the United States of America or even just America or USA???? Whats up with that?

 

[ItalianScallion]

There are many issues facing this country and honestly abortion is not even in the top 5.

The comparison between you and the rev is correct as far as I am concerned. He has no tolerance for whites and you have no tolerance for those who don't believe as you.

The bottom line is your argument is no argument at all. If you have no answer you say "because Jesus says so" or "the bible says so".. I believe they are one and the same.

Tim Lahaye wrote a pretty stirring and non-antiquated version on the revelations. I did not see the problem with it. I read the whole series and enjoyed it completely.

P.S. I wasn't aware that the Bible mentioned the United States of America... But I will check again as you asked... Get back to you soon.
Just checked and No mention of the United States of America or even just America or USA???? Whats up with that?

1) Without the true God in your life, of course you'd say abortion isn't even
in the top 5. You cannot see things as God does.
2) Neither did Jesus but, after all is said & done, He wins.
3) You & I will be judged by His Word (the Bible) so who needs anything else?
4) Again, without God opening your eyes, of course you don't see any
problem with LaHaye's book. Glad you enjoyed the books but he's wrong
about a lot of what's in there.
5) The Bible doesn't mention the USA by name. When it still speaks about
every nation and people we're covered. It also says: "Blessed is the nation
whose God is the Lord". For now it's speaking about us but, if the libs
have their anti-God way, we won't be blessed for long.

 

[kom526]

“ I swear by Apollo, Asclepius, Hygieia, and Panacea, and I take to witness all the gods, all the goddesses, to keep according to my ability and my judgment, the following Oath.
To consider dear to me, as my parents, him who taught me this art; to live in common with him and, if necessary, to share my goods with him; To look upon his children as my own brothers, to teach them this art.
I will prescribe regimens for the good of my patients according to my ability and my judgment and never do harm to anyone.
To please no one will I prescribe a deadly drug nor give advice which may cause his death.
Nor will I give a woman a pessary to procure abortion.
But I will preserve the purity of my life and my arts.
I will not cut for stone, even for patients in whom the disease is manifest; I will leave this operation to be performed by practitioners, specialists in this art.
In every house where I come I will enter only for the good of my patients, keeping myself far from all intentional ill-doing and all seduction and especially from the pleasures of love with women or with men, be they free or slaves.
All that may come to my knowledge in the exercise of my profession or in daily commerce with men, which ought not to be spread abroad, I will keep secret and will never reveal.
If I keep this oath faithfully, may I enjoy my life and practice my art, respected by all men and in all times; but if I swerve from it or violate it, may the reverse be my lot.

 

[kom526]

I do get your point... I for the most part I agree with it. But my fear of Christians taking over this country is real and unless we speak out about it it will happen.

Did you know that "separation of church and state" ONLY applies to Christians? Like Vrai said it's the Muslims you need to be worried about. Besides its been several hundred years since Christians have organized and killed for their beliefs.

 

[Larry Gude]

Ten...

...pages of back and forth non sense and not one word about the issue;

What kind of a people are we to abort babies? What kind of people see having a child as worse that sucking the unborn out of the womb and discarding it? How do we decide any issue based on right or wrong when that is OK in our society?

That's the issue.

 

[puggymom]

How can anyone with a conscience have a late abortion?

I think you mean late term ELECTIVE abortions. I would never have anything but pure sympathy for a woman with a wanted pregnancy who had to choice to abort late term due to fetal or maternal health.

 

[puggymom]

...pages of back and forth non sense and not one word about the issue;

What kind of a people are we to abort babies? What kind of people see having a child as worse that sucking the unborn out of the womb and discarding it? How do we decide any issue based on right or wrong when that is OK in our society?

That's the issue.

Because we all have the same ideal world---one where abortions are rarely performed. But we have separate means to achieve that goal.
Some think elective abortion should illegal PERIOD. I do not see that as a solution since abortion will still happen. I believe in making elective abortion almost non existent by trying to make sure every conceived child is a wanted child.

I do not have the answers, I wish I did but since making abortion illegal does not really solve anything--it will not make abortions nonexistent and that is my goal. I do not see it as a viable solution.

 

[bcp]

Because we all have the same ideal world---one where abortions are rarely performed. But we have separate means to achieve that goal.
Some think elective abortion should illegal PERIOD. I do not see that as a solution since abortion will still happen. I believe in making elective abortion almost non existent by trying to make sure every conceived child is a wanted child.

I do not have the answers, I wish I did but since making abortion illegal does not really solve anything--it will not make abortions nonexistent and that is my goal. I do not see it as a viable solution.

Take away the safety net and there will be a natural reduction in the number of abortions.
to claim that you have to keep it legal because some will still do it is foolish.
some still murder, should we make it totally legal to do so? we would have less criminals.

 

[puggymom]

Take away the safety net and there will be a natural reduction in the number of abortions.
to claim that you have to keep it legal because some will still do it is foolish.
some still murder, should we make it totally legal to do so? we would have less criminals.

See that is were I have issues with government forced childbirth. I do not believe forcing that on woman as a 'puishment' for something that is natural (sex) makes any sense. I do not like the government forcing medical decisions on anyone.

 

[ImnoMensa]

Its time for you to just tell us how you feel...

though, I have to agree with you to a large extent, I still feel it best to let him realize what he has done, live a long life with terrible guilt becuase of what he has done, then have him end up in hell.

but none of that, including his sudden and painful demise is or should be in my power to do.

Do you really think that a monster that could choke the breath from a newborn or suck the brains from a viable 8 month fetus, actually has a conscience?

 

[Larry Gude]

...

Because we all have the same ideal world---one where abortions are rarely performed. But we have separate means to achieve that goal.
Some think elective abortion should illegal PERIOD. I do not see that as a solution since abortion will still happen. I believe in making elective abortion almost non existent by trying to make sure every conceived child is a wanted child.

I do not have the answers, I wish I did but since making abortion illegal does not really solve anything--it will not make abortions nonexistent and that is my goal. I do not see it as a viable solution.

...isn't there another way of looking at this? What if we simply said "Hey, it's a brutal world sometimes. If a woman wants to kill her unborn, so be it."

Then, when we have murderers who rob a store and shoot the clerk and the customers, we could just say "Hey, you're evil. We're going to kill you."

Most people who are anti death penalty are pro abortion and it makes for a hypocritical, cynical world and THAT is what bothers me. How in the hell can someone stomach babies being turned into goo simply because the mom didn't want it yet be offended by killing killers?

Hypocrisy and cynicism are far more toxic to our society than brutality. Brutality is honest and understandable; Don't want the child. I'd rather it be dead. Criminal lost his rights to life by wrongly taking someone elses life. I'd rather he be dead.

See my point?