Howie Dean: Stop the Attacks?

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Bruzilla

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I always thought the purpose of the primaries was to attack your opponents within the party and see who rises to the top with the voters. The previous efforts of the "we're all the same - attack Bush" approach we're pretty stupid. I think they're overdue for bashing one another.
 

SamSpade

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Dean seems to believe he's already the nominee - and no one has even cast a VOTE YET.

Until that happens, let the best man win - and God help any crybabies until THEN.
 

Penn

Dancing Up A Storm
:confused: Have you guys read the "conspiracy" angles to all this political wrangling?

But, what first gets me wondering - is the fact that dosen't Dean recognize that the Clintons and McAliffe may NOT want the others to tone down the rhetoric?

Dean is NOT their choice, from what I've been reading and seeing on the news. Their choice is Wes Clark.

Is it possible he (Dean) does not get this?
 

SamSpade

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Like I said - he believes that the polls have in effect, nominated him outright without a songle vote having been cast. His argument is, now that we have a nominee - ME - we should unite behind that candidate - ME - so that the Democratic nominee - ME - can beat George in November.

I wonder why he doesn't just say, hey would you guys please all just stop *running* for the nomination so I can take it without a fight?

And this twit wants to be President. If he does, the press will eat him alive. He's just the wrong guy.
 

Penn

Dancing Up A Storm
:barf: Well I know, listening to the sound bites on Fox News, MSNBC, etc., that this turkey is stepping all over himself, having to backtrack at every ill-conceived thought he puts out on the airwaves.
He seems to have a serious case of foot-in-mouth disease.

One other issue I ran across today was the fact that he's demanding VP Cheney turn over(make public) information he has on private meetings held with Energy bigwigs, but yet he'd already held the same such meetings in Vermont, on the same subject!

Sounds like lunacy, but you wouldn't expect that from a man of his stature. Hell, he didn't get elected governor of Vermont being the idiot he appears to be, did he?

Could all this seemingly ignorant Democratic raving be a smokescreen for Hillary to yet have an excuse to toss her hat in the ring for the nomination?

The mere thought of that makes me want to :barf: all over again, but it looks and feels like there's some form of twisted strategy going on out there in the Dems camp.

We just haven't seen the endgame of it yet.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
No...

Is it possible he (Dean) does not get this?

...it is impossible. It is the basis of his campaign, attracting the people who were dissapointed in Clinton for being nowhere near liberal enough.

Could all this seemingly ignorant Democratic raving be a smokescreen for Hillary to yet have an excuse to toss her hat in the ring for the nomination?

Nope. The economy is growing, Iraq is getting slowly better and W is engaged on domestic issues like Medicaire. There is nothing for Sen. Clinton to gain by being trounced by W.

There is, however, much to be gained from Dean being trounced; it leaves leadership of the party for her to pick up from the disaster he is leading and, along with real experience in the Senate, a viable campaign for her to run against X after W's second term.

If the Democrats wake up in time to the suicide of Dean being the nominee along with all the Senate and House seats they will lose as people who are forced to back him lose their re-election campaigns, then Clark will run out and be trounced.

Nobody seems to care about explaining the fact that Clark was a Republican three months ago. It's not possible that this WON'T come up. Look at what's his face who turned coat in the Senate after W won in 2000. Never heard from again.

Like Benedict Arnold, Americans don't care what good you did before (Arnold was an early hero of our Revolution); we don't like traitors.

Clarks job is to make sure Dean, if he does get the nomination, is so exposed he can't win. That's already happened. In fact, I can't see Dean getting the nod anymore. Pity.

Clarks second job is to, if he gets the nod, lose, clearing the way for Hillary.

Further evidence of Clark being un-fit or un-acceptable is he is starting to act like he doesn't understand the errand he has been sent on.

We don't like dupes for boss either.

There will soon be credible, acceptable evidence of what happened to Saddams WMD's. Either it wasn't as bad as we thought and he is a total moron for not complying (good thing he's gone!) or his cleverness will be once again revealed (good thing he's gone!). Either way, it's curtains for everybody but Lieberman.

Further, Osama turns up dead or captured. Who's gonna care what any of the Nimble Nine has to say? One less leg to their platforms.

Finally, we don't get hit by a terror strike at home before the election: Thank God W is the boss! He's known what to do!

Or

We do get hit: Thank God W is the boss! He'll still know what to do.

The thing I find frightening for the health of our political life is that people who claim to want to lead this nation have all taken absolutely indefensible positions on terror by stating through attacks on John Ashcroft and the Patriot Act that we do not need more information to protect ouselves and at the same time deriding at any opportunity that very lack of information.

And they've done the same with Iraq; They're on the side of Saddam Hussein.

The only one who isn't playing to these ideas is Leiberman and they hate him almost as much as they hate W.

I guess Edwards could leap to the fore somehow or they could always wheel Ross out again.
 

Penn

Dancing Up A Storm
Re: No...

Originally posted by Larry Gude
The thing I find frightening for the health of our political life is that people who claim to want to lead this nation have all taken absolutely indefensible positions on terror by stating through attacks on John Ashcroft and the Patriot Act that we do not need more information to protect ouselves and at the same time deriding at any opportunity that very lack of information.

And they've done the same with Iraq; They're on the side of Saddam Hussein.

The only one who isn't playing to these ideas is Leiberman and they hate him almost as much as they hate W.

I guess Edwards could leap to the fore somehow or they could always wheel Ross out again. [/B]

:cool: You know Larry, Ann Coulter's theories about the Democratic Party being made up of traitors and weak sisters who cannot envision a strong military, cannot concieive of the ideas that John Ashcroft has put forth for strengthening the security of this nation - well, they're making more sense everytime I listen to one of these "candidates".

"Bush is responsible for the Mad Cow problem", how absurd.
 
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Larry Gude

Strung Out
Penn...I hear yah....Have you ever...

...read the actual Iraq War Resolution?

It's so benign and clear as to be virtually impossible for anyone to NOT support it.

It just says "we all pretty much agree this Saddam guy is an ass and needs to go sooner or later. Preferably sooner."

Vote here.

Ann ####es them off because she just lays bare their positions and there is simply no rational way to respond.

Gephardt and Kerry were perfectly acceptable people who no one was gonna have a fit if they became President. Now they are morphing into these phony Primary Primates.

Edwards is simply to young.

Al and Carol are a sideshow.

Clark is a freak.

Dean is a frat boy running amock with a prank.

Only Dennis Kucinnich stands out as being anything like what a liberal should be and they shun him for some reason. I don't get it. He is the only guy that W simply wouldn't be able to deal with on policy debates other than to call him 'utopian'. He's the guy that makes the glaring contrast they claim to want.

Leiberman was somehow a great choice for 50 million people but, suddenly, like Gore, the person who they all INSIST won and should be President and Veep are just simply unacceptable.

Democrats just want their two minutes hate and somebody lost the stop watch.
 
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