HRC on being Jewish

This_person

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"You f*cking Jew b@stard"

-- Democrat Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to political operative Paul Fray
 
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limblips

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"You f*cking Jew b@stard"

-- Democrat Secretary of State Hillary Clinton to political operative Paul Fraymark

I am as far from a HRC supporter as they come but I have to come to her defense on this one. There is really no hard evidence to support this quote. It is from an "expose" book by Jerry Oppenheimer titled STATE OF A UNION: INSIDE THE COMPLEX MARRIAGE OF BILL AND HILLARY CLINTON published in 2000. It is alleged she said this, supported by 2 unnamed witnesses. There is no support from any other source. Did she say it? Maybe. Can it be proven? No. Also the name of the man allegedly called an F...ing jew bastard is Paul Fray.
 

This_person

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I am as far from a HRC supporter as they come but I have to come to her defense on this one. There is really no hard evidence to support this quote. It is from an "expose" book by Jerry Oppenheimer titled STATE OF A UNION: INSIDE THE COMPLEX MARRIAGE OF BILL AND HILLARY CLINTON published in 2000. It is alleged she said this, supported by 2 unnamed witnesses. There is no support from any other source. Did she say it? Maybe. Can it be proven? No. Also the name of the man allegedly called an F...ing jew bastard is Paul Fray.

Paul was given a lie detector on this and passed. It was heard by others. How much proof do you need?

By the way, it is alleged that Hillary constantly referred to Bill by anti-sematic epitaphs as well. Paul Fray is not Jewish. She simply hates Jewish people that much that if someone makes her upset, they are Jew bastards.
 

Clem72

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Paul was given a lie detector on this and passed. It was heard by others. How much proof do you need?

By the way, it is alleged that Hillary constantly referred to Bill by anti-sematic epitaphs as well. Paul Fray is not Jewish. She simply hates Jewish people that much that if someone makes her upset, they are Jew bastards.

She never would have got this far without support from AIPAC and other powerful American Jewish political organizations. She may be antisemitic at heart, but apparently she doesn't let her affect her politics (eg if your moneys green she will support your causes).
 

This_person

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I am as far from a HRC supporter as they come but I have to come to her defense on this one. There is really no hard evidence to support this quote. It is from an "expose" book by Jerry Oppenheimer titled STATE OF A UNION: INSIDE THE COMPLEX MARRIAGE OF BILL AND HILLARY CLINTON published in 2000. It is alleged she said this, supported by 2 unnamed witnesses. There is no support from any other source. Did she say it? Maybe. Can it be proven? No. Also the name of the man allegedly called an F...ing jew bastard is Paul Fray.
By the way, let me name the witnesses for you - Mary Lee Fray (Paul's wife) and Neil McDonald (another campaign worker). Neither were polygraphed, but neither was Clinton
 

This_person

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She never would have got this far without support from AIPAC and other powerful American Jewish political organizations. She may be antisemitic at heart, but apparently she doesn't let her affect her politics (eg if your moneys green she will support your causes).

She's good at hiding her feelings when needed, but when you're that bad that long it will slip out. And, it has.
 

limblips

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By the way, let me name the witnesses for you - Mary Lee Fray (Paul's wife) and Neil McDonald (another campaign worker). Neither were polygraphed, but neither was Clinton

Keifer said Hubanks relied on a controversial questioning technique that isn't endorsed by the FBI but that it appeared there were no other options in this case to establish a benchmark for measuring Fray's physiological responses. He credited Hubanks for conducting a "professional exam."

Hubanks asked two similar questions to determine if Fray was being truthful about whether Hillary Clinton made the anti-Semitic remark. The questions were: "Did you hear Hillary call you a "f---ing Jew b------?" and "Did you hear Hillary call you a "f---ing Jew b------ in 1974?" Under the FBI's scoring system, Keifer said, Fray's combined answer to two questions about the slur would be evaluated as inconclusive but the rating system used by Hubanks indicated Fray's response is truthful.

So the technique was questionable but possibly the only path and the FBI would grade the result "inconclusive". I do not see the smoking gun here. Yes there is some evidence but a questionable polygraph and a statement from a wife and cohort are not proof. I am not nor ever did say it didn't happen I only point out that the proof is non-existent.
 

This_person

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Keifer said Hubanks relied on a controversial questioning technique that isn't endorsed by the FBI but that it appeared there were no other options in this case to establish a benchmark for measuring Fray's physiological responses. He credited Hubanks for conducting a "professional exam."

Hubanks asked two similar questions to determine if Fray was being truthful about whether Hillary Clinton made the anti-Semitic remark. The questions were: "Did you hear Hillary call you a "f---ing Jew b------?" and "Did you hear Hillary call you a "f---ing Jew b------ in 1974?" Under the FBI's scoring system, Keifer said, Fray's combined answer to two questions about the slur would be evaluated as inconclusive but the rating system used by Hubanks indicated Fray's response is truthful.

So the technique was questionable but possibly the only path and the FBI would grade the result "inconclusive". I do not see the smoking gun here. Yes there is some evidence but a questionable polygraph and a statement from a wife and cohort are not proof. I am not nor ever did say it didn't happen I only point out that the proof is non-existent.
3 witnesses that all agree, one passed a polygraph (you're correct in your cut-and-paste, but all that difference consists of is arguing how many angels can dance on the head of a pin - they agree there was no lie).

Add to that the number of other people claiming to have heard it from her on many other occasions.

Add to that the guy who claimed it was said about him is not a hit-man against her - said people should still vote for her.

Yeah, she said it. Pretty well proven.
 
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