I concede, but Bush will not win the fight!!!

UrbanPancake

Right=Wrong/Left=Right
rhumbpunch said:
Did you come up with this on your own? Or is it borrowed?

Not bad, apart from all the stumbling, bumbling.
I have my own mind, and I do not steal ideals from others and claim them as my own. Anyway I can't stand hatred towards fellow Americans. We are all Americans trying to live the same dream. We need to start thinking like that.
 

UrbanPancake

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Penn said:
Hey vrai! Do you have him back on "ignore" yet? If so, please be advised I will be joining you post haste. This little buttflosser is making me nauseous.

Bye bye, Turbancake!!
That's what I thought. You tried to back me in a corner, and you failed. Run to your mother and weep now. Your insults have backfired.
 

vraiblonde

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UrbanPancake said:
I will fight harder come next election. I have already started.
Then you have some dark days ahead of you. The writing is on the wall, in big capital Impact letters and it says:

Extreme liberalism is dead. Ugly politics is dead. Socialism is dead. Anti-Americanism is dead. Those who champion any of the above are doomed to spend eternity in a hell of their own making.

The People have spoken.
 

FromTexas

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UrbanPancake said:
Your welcome. I am my own person thank you. You can't deny the fact that Bush won the rural south, while Dems won the Northeast and the West. It goes to show that the well educated vote Dem, and the poorly educated vote repub. The sad truth is even when southerners are losing their jobs they will still vote in fear that gay people might be able to be married. It seems that some people don't have their priorities straight.
So, you are admitting to being a bigotted twit then?
 
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dems4me

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UrbanPancake said:
That's what I thought. You tried to back me in a corner, and you failed. Run to your mother and weep now. Your insults have backfired.

Just wondering, are you a Christian :shrug:
 
UrbanPancake said:
Using the word Son? Are you racist and using this word to degrade me? If it is that would make you a racist.
Quick question here. Why is it that everyone that disagrees with you is a racist?
 

FromTexas

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UrbanPancake said:
I have my own mind, and I do not steal ideals from others and claim them as my own. Anyway I can't stand hatred towards fellow Americans. We are all Americans trying to live the same dream. We need to start thinking like that.
:liar: :liar:

On both the two first statements.
 

vraiblonde

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huntr1 said:
Quick question here. Why is it that everyone that disagrees with you is a racist?
Because that's what radical liberals do when they disagree with you - call you a racist. Their masters haven't programmed them to say anything else.
 

UrbanPancake

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vraiblonde said:
Then you have some dark days ahead of you. The writing is on the wall, in big capital Impact letters and it says:

Extreme liberalism is dead. Ugly politics is dead. Socialism is dead. Anti-Americanism is dead. Those who champion any of the above are doomed to spend eternity in a hell of their own making.

The People have spoken.
In this election yes. But there will be more. We have learned from history that things really never change, its just the names of the people do. I'm not Anti-American, (No one chooses where they are born, so how can one person claim superiority over another based on country is uninformed), I'm Pro-American, I'm for all Americans, not just politically connected groups. I don't believe in Socialism. I believe in rights, and rights change as time goes on. Things change as humans continue to evolve culturally, come four years from now peoples interest will wan and tire of the conservative right. They will want more moderates and progressives running this government. People don't want to be told who they can marry, and why they are bad. People want more control of their own lives, and they want to be told why they are good. That is why change in the next four years is inevitable.

You don't think hatred and bigotry are ugly? You think restricting rights instead of expanding on them isn't ugly?
 
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dems4me

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vraiblonde said:
Because that's what radical liberals do when they disagree with you - call you a racist. Their masters haven't programmed them to say anything else.

So do I have this right, our friend UP is a gay, african american, anti-christianity female :shrug: It may explain why she is soo angry. :shrug:
 

UrbanPancake

Right=Wrong/Left=Right
vraiblonde said:
Because that's what radical liberals do when they disagree with you - call you a racist. Their masters haven't programmed them to say anything else.
He used the word Son which insinuates that he has superiority over me based on nothing. He claims I'm gay, and he said some very rude things about gay people, which makes him a bigot. Do you celebrate mean spirited sound bites? Do you promote hatred, instead of extinguishing it? :patriot:
 

UrbanPancake

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vraiblonde said:
I figured it for a Taliban flunky, myself.
You are all wrong. I'm a male, who has been married for 6 years. I have a daughter. I work full-time and work hard for what I have. And none of you will take that away from me. So claim what you want. Just because I fight for minorities that makes me a gay, black female? How discriminatory is that, to claim those things when you don't know me?
 

FromTexas

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UrbanPancake said:
That's what I thought. You tried to back me in a corner, and you failed. Run to your mother and weep now. Your insults have backfired.
Listen, pansy boy. You have yet to not say one thing and act the opposite. Let's just make it clear. You are a nitwit of the highest caliber. You have the logical ability of a retarded hamster, and it has yet to improve. You can copy/paste in some intelligence for others, but when it comes to defending yourself, you wallow, wilt, and evade like a crack dealer at a police convention.

You are biased, bigoted, and bloated on the kool-aid your party gives you because you accept, without question, the Bible of Democrats, the Book of McCauliffe, the Playbook of ineptitude.

Because 58 million voted for Bush does not mean the stupid people won. It does not grant you the intellectual superiority and the Bush voters as your inferiors. It means a majority of the people disagreed with you democratically and found your ideas lacking.

You can continue to cry and whine. It does you no good. You can continue to play the part of the wuss who got beat to heck and back in high school; crying about what happened, how you are better than them, and one day, you will show them. Yet, in the end, you still just go home, cry yourself to sleep, and the promises have yet to realize themselves.

Not only did people pick Bush, but Repub's gained across the board. Not only was your party found lacking, but Repubs have gained unprecedented control due to the attitudes, tactics, and ideology your party has chosen to preach. You further divert from the mainstream and continually preach hate. It has sent you down. I used to be a democrat... back when it meant something. You are not the democrats of history. You are a blackness that has an overwhelming desire for power at any cost. The people see it and they continue to judge you.

So, when you are done your not hating remarks and getting chewed up like a rag doll in a pen of over-testeroned bull dogs, you can stop and think that maybe, just maybe, you really aren't really on the right side of the fence. Until then, enjoy pounding your nutsack in an attempt to bring life back to your miserable, downtrodden, hate-filled existence and go and make something of yourself.
 
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dems4me

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UrbanPancake said:
He used the word Son which insinuates that he has superiority over me based on nothing. He claims I'm gay, and he said some very rude things about gay people, which makes him a bigot. Do you celebrate mean spirited sound bites? Do you promote hatred, instead of extinguishing it? :patriot:

UP, I know this may not be what you want to hear but sometimes "you attract more flies with honey" - I know it's easier said than done, but you can do it. I slip every now and then and have to remind myself of that. You have some things in common with folks on here, we all breath air and need water, etc.... what are some of your hobbies :shrug: Don't be soo angry all the time ok:shrug: What do you do for fun :shrug: Are you a girl or boy :shrug: do you have kids :shrug:
 

FromTexas

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You don't think hatred and bigotry are ugly?
You mean like calling people in all the mid-west states unintelligent/ignorant, and all people in the ne and west coast states geniuses?

:killingme
 
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dems4me

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UrbanPancake said:
You are all wrong. I'm a male, who has been married for 6 years. I have a daughter. I work full-time and work hard for what I have. And none of you will take that away from me. So claim what you want. Just because I fight for minorities that makes me a gay, black female? How discriminatory is that, to claim those things when you don't know me?

I'm trying to get to know you and trying to assess where this deep anger is spewing from :shrug:
 

Pete

Repete
UrbanPancake said:
I have fought very hard for Kerry and the Democratic Party. I have worked hard in the last 6 months to get him elected. At the very least, I can say I did my job. Kerry carried Maryland with flying colors. I may not have agreed with all of Kerry's policies (I'm a liberal leftist, and Kerry was a moderate) but I felt Bush has been wrong in the last four years. .
I am glad to see that you are still a failure. Yes Kerry took Maryland but it really didn’t help now did it. Why is it you liberals who tout your intellect use the inner city the minority’s addiction to give away problems as your base? Because very few with enough integrity to get off the dole will follow you, that is why. Look at the map, every blue section is anchored by high density population centers made up of a constituency that is addicted to government hand outs like a crack addict scrounging in the couch cushions for a rock, and have bought the bile that the GOP hates the little people.

UrbanPancake said:
He has been wrong to support the Federal Marriage Amendment. The Federal Marriage Amendment would have prevented any state from deciding to allow Gay Marriage. It would have set the stage for right wing political activists to prevent any form of civil recognition for gay couples through the court system. If we learn anything from History it is that suppression of civil rights never work. People were against women voting, and people have been against the civil rights movement for African Americans. Of course as time passed the future generations have looked back and asked why were we fighting about this? What was the problem? To use this social issue as a political pawn in this election has only proven the existence of modern day bigotry, and it's power to encourage hatred among fellow Americans. .
It looks like Gay Marriage issue is taking care of itself, 11 out of 11 ballot initiatives were approved defining marriage as between a man and a woman, even Oregon which is a liberal state. The Federal Marriage Amendment would have given consistency and reciprocity for states to use to recognize marriages from other states. You know as well as I do it is an interstate issue. In addition you are wrong in thinking that by using an Amendment to the constitution would not be representative, as the amendment would have to be passed by ¾ of the state legislatures thus reflecting the will of the citizens. Conversely the liberals have elected to use the judicial activist method, which does not respect the wishes of the citizens at all. It seems to me you are in favor of a liberal led Dictatorship because we are too stupid to know what is right. Face it, THE NATION DOES NOT WANT IT ! YOU LOSE ! If you find your ideas outside of the majority it does not mean you are an elite progressive and smart and everyone else dumb bigots, it means you are out of touch and a minority.
 

Pete

Repete
UrbanPancake said:
Our President has been wrong about the war in Iraq. It is never right to use pre-emptive military action against a nation without having all the facts, and manipulating the facts to fit your agenda. Because of this manipulation he has caused our military to become over extended. He has increased our chances of becoming less able to counter an attack if one was to show itself available. We are now occupying a country that has strong Anti-American beliefs. Our occupation of Iraq has encouraged more radical young Muslims to become extremists and terrorists. History has taught us that occupations fail. They fail because beliefs and values of the Occupying nation are forced on people with different cultural values, and beliefs. This occupation will go down in the books as a failure. The insurgents will continue to grow stronger with every passing week, month, and year that Americans continue to remain in Iraq. .
Our simply breathing causes radical Muslims to become extremists to become terrorists. It always has and it always will and if you disagree I will tell you to pull your head out of the sand. We have just sat back and taken it on the chin for way too long. I am refreshed we have stopped and started taking the fight to them. As far as your prediction that the occupation will fail, I will not give it credence because you are wrong on everything else you have ever said here. We are allowing the Iraqi’s to determine their own government and they are keeping their own culture, it is up to THEM if it works or fails not some skewed vision of history YOU have.

UrbanPancake said:
The President will continue to grow our deficit without presenting a plan to actually fix it. He will continue throwing money into the coffers of the military because the occupation of Iraq will continue to become a drain on our tax dollars. He will reform social security so new entrants to the social security system can invest their contributions into the stock market. I agree somewhat with this system, but Bush has presented no plan on how he will fund the benefits of the looming baby boomers, and the existing seniors who withdraw from SS. With his record tax cuts I can't see how he plans on improving the state of social security, and reforming it so new entrants can invest their contributions. Bush has created new government agencies, which further drains the tax base. Of course though Bush has a plan to cut the deficit in half while expanding the tax cuts. Bush hasn't vetoed any spending bills since he's been in office. It seems now that Republicans are the spenders, and the Liberals have become the financial conservatives. .
You are some kind of swami aren’t you? Given your brilliant insight you will have to excuse me if I do not ask you to predict my future. How do you know what plans he will put forth.

I would remind you that military spending 1. Keeps us the world leaders we are. 2. Trickles down to pay hundreds of thousands of people. What better job program than one that provides a valuable service and provides jobs? How can you come here one day and kvelch about no decent paying jobs yet you belittle an industry and part of the government that provides the very freedom that has kept you from getting your teeth kicked out?

John Kerry said in the third debate he was not going to do anything to fix SS. At least my President recognizes there is a problem and will try to fix it. BTW his tax cuts were to individual income tax, not SS. SS has it’s own funding stream and is separate. I would try to explain micro economic principles to you but it would be a waste of my time because you would just sit there with your fingers in your ears going LALALALALALA.

UrbanPancake said:
Bush hasn't done much as far as Healthcare is concerned. Bush didn't block the vaccines that were coming from the UK. The British did. We should thank the British for finding the vaccines to be inadequate, not Bush. .
Bush did more in 4 than Clinton did in 8. Usually the country where something is manufactured holds regulation and oversight. I am sure we would have tested the vaccine before it made it into the arms of any Americans. The fact remains that the business environment here is not conducive to vaccine manufacture because of government regulation, price fixing and vulnerability to lawsuits in a sue happy nation. Tort reform would go a long way to help the Health care industry but you liberals cannot get your hands out of the Trial Lawyers Associations pockets long enough to act on it. If you liberals would give the man a chance without yipping at him like wild dogs he may surprise you.

UrbanPancake said:
Bush has went against his own policy about buying cheaper drugs in Canada, he wanted to buy flu vaccine from the Canadians, but for some reason buying American made drugs in Canada might be bad for Americans.
You do not see the difference between the government buying a lot of vaccine from a foreign manufacturer and your gray haired grandma scooting over the border and buying blood pressure medicine from a discount drug dealer in Ontario? If you cannot you have Terry McAuliffe disease and there is no Canadian drug for that.

It has been explained ad nausium to you that if Americans bought up all the drugs in Canada first the Canadians would slap a halt to it because the drug companies would stop discounting to them. In the end both the Canadians and Americans would end up screwed.


UrbanPancake said:
Bush claimed that Government Bureaucrats would have been in control of Kerry's health plan. He's wrong; Kerry's plan would have put instituted Blue Cross and Blue Shield, the same healthcare provider that the Federal Government enjoys
How long do you think Blue Cross and Blue shield would be a quality provider when it was swamped and not paid? BC/BS is a commercial insurance provider that does operate at a loss, which is exactly what would happen. The premium costs for all those people would be staggering AND paid for by the government at a fixed price negotiated down to the lowest point possible, and guess what, the government plan had deductibles and co-pays which get steep too.

UrbanPancake said:
Our President has supported the Family Healthcare Credit, which would pay for 90% of basic low-income persons. The problem with this policy is the fact that you have to pay for healthcare costs as an individual when you receive the bill, to receive the credit. How can a family of three who makes less than 20000 a year afford to pay for a large medical bill? Plus you have to deal with the bureaucracy of the IRS. This discourages low-income families from utilizing this credit.
First of all I cannot put into words the disgust I feel when you all of a sudden use the term “Our President” after your bullshiat daily attacks. “Pay 90% of basic low-income persons” wow sounds good to me, but wait I thought he was evil? I am sure if your side would actually work with him instead of attacking him you would be able to negotiate a way to make the plan work better. Your last statement about having to deal with the hassle of the IRS to get a GREAT deal does not touch my heart. If a low income person is given an avenue to get help from the government but doesn’t want to deal with the “hassle” they can crawl in a hole and die then. I know it sounds harsh but hey.


UrbanPancake said:
Our President has buoyed support for Heath Savings Accounts. A Health Savings Account combines HIGH deductible health insurance with a tax-favored savings account. Once the deductible is met, the insurance starts paying. Money left in the savings account earns interest and is yours to keep. For singles you can contribute up to 2600 a year to the account. This means you pay for all of your healthcare expenses through this account, even your routine doctors visits. I don't understand how most American's can afford to stock away 2600 dollars away in an account such as this. This account benefits the rich and acts as a tax shelter for those that can afford it. It doesn't benefit the working person who has children to support. Our President made it illegal for Medicare to buy prescriptions in bulk, which would have provided our valued seniors with lower cost prescriptions. The fact is that only 19% of poor seniors actually use Bush's plan. .
First of all it is “up to” $2600 and you work hard and are disciplined and put away what you can. America was not built on the idea government provides for every iota of your existence. It does require some diligence, planning, and personal responsibility. Besides if they are using their own cash perhaps they would be a little more cautious before running to the Dr because of a common cold.
 
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