I didn't realize rosary beads were gang symbols

NY school sued after teen suspended over rosary

ALBANY, N.Y. -- A federal judge on Tuesday ordered a school to reinstate a 13-year-old boy who was suspended for wearing rosary beads, pending a hearing into whether the suspension violated his civil rights.

Oneida Middle School officials contend Raymond Hosier violated a policy banning gang-related clothing, as rosary beads are sometimes worn as gang symbols. But the seventh-grader, who initially was suspended two weeks ago, says he wears the purple rosary in memory of his younger brother, who died while clutching it after a bicycle accident.

The American Center for Law and Justice, an offshoot of Pat Robertson's Christian Broadcasting Network, filed a lawsuit Tuesday in U.S. District Court contending the suspension violated Hosier's rights to free speech and religious expression.

Here is the complaint, and here is the judge's order that, for now, compels the Schenectady City School District to allow Raymond Hosier to attend school wearing his rosary beads outside his shirt.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
This is a fools errand. People will always seek ways to differentiate themselves be it a cross, a tattoo, a bandanna, cloths, hair style or what have you. This is just the continuation of looking to place blame everywhere but where it belongs; behavior.

In Baltimore, kids are running wild with dirt bikes in the streets because they know the cops are not allowed to chase them.

Not allowed.

So, they just passed a law making it illegal for the minimum wage kid working the local gas station to sell gas to people on dirt bikes. Think about that.

Anything but address behavior.
 

Gummie

Member
In Catholic schools students are not allowed to wear Rosary Beads as necklaces. They are not for that purpose. Why should the public schools be different?
 

Toxick

Splat
In Catholic schools students are not allowed to wear Rosary Beads as necklaces. They are not for that purpose. Why should the public schools be different?


Because Catholic Schools may enforce Catholic based rules.

Public schools may not.



I probably can't wear a necklace with a star of David outside my shirt at a Catholic school either. Or a 9 pointed Ba'hai star. Or a Khanda. Or a Faravahar. Or an upside-down cross. Or a wheel of Dharma. These things would be considered sacreligoius in a Catholic school. (Or at the least flying in the face of their religious studies)

I can wear those things on my necklace at a public school. It's not their job to monitor sacrelige.
 

Baltimore_Colt

New Member
Because Catholic Schools may enforce Catholic based rules.

Public schools may not.



I probably can't wear a necklace with a star of David outside my shirt at a Catholic school either. Or a 9 pointed Ba'hai star. Or a Khanda. Or a Faravahar. Or an upside-down cross. Or a wheel of Dharma. These things would be considered sacreligoius in a Catholic school. (Or at the least flying in the face of their religious studies)

I can wear those things on my necklace at a public school. It's not their job to monitor sacrelige.

and boom goes the dynamite. :clap:
 

twinoaks207

Having Fun!
This scenario aside. Google MS-13 tattoos. And take a look. Your question will be answered.... :buddies:

It might have helped if you had stated which specific entry on the google list of 163,000 entries that you were referring to in your comment. It would have helped to clarify the point that you were trying to make.

Catholics in the United States are taught that it is improper to wear rosary beads, unless of course, you are a nun or member of a religious order. This is not the case in other cultures. Rosaries have existed for centuries, not so for MS 13. One cannot assume that because a person wears a rosary and does so outside their clothing, that they are a member of MS 13. That is not logical. If that were true, our local law enforcement people would have a bunch of women in long white dresses & headresses with veils locked up in the local hoosegow instead of them freely walking along our boardwalk!

The concept of wearing a rosary as jewelry is not new. In Ireland, during a time of persecution against the Catholic religion, Irish Catholics wore bracelets with 10 beads or rings, called decade jewelry that allowed them to say the rosary without keeping that recognizable religious symbol on their persons. This kept many of them from being imprisoned or killed. I happen to own a decade bracelet and I wear it. I am not a member of MS13. I own several rosaries--- as a matter of fact, I have one on the rear view mirror of my car so that I have one close to me and available for prayer at all times. This is a symbol of my Catholicism, not any gang involvement.

Aside from the fact that it is dangerous and stupid to make assumptions like the one that this school made, it is also unconstitutional in this country. At least, for now....
 
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foodcritic

New Member
It might have helped if you had stated which specific entry on the google list of 163,000 entries that you were referring to in your comment. It would have helped to clarify the point that you were trying to make.

Catholics in the United States are taught that it is improper to wear rosary beads, unless of course, you are a nun or member of a religious order. This is not the case in other cultures. Rosaries have existed for centuries, not so for MS 13. One cannot assume that because a person wears a rosary and does so outside their clothing, that they are a member of MS 13. That is not logical. If that were true, our local law enforcement people would have a bunch of women in long white dresses & headresses with veils locked up in the local hoosegow instead of them freely walking along our boardwalk!

The concept of wearing a rosary as jewelry is not new. In Ireland, during a time of persecution against the Catholic religion, Irish Catholics wore bracelets with 10 beads or rings, called decade jewelry that allowed them to say the rosary without keeping that recognizable religious symbol on their persons. This kept many of them from being imprisoned or killed. I happen to own a decade bracelet and I wear it. I am not a member of MS13. I own several rosaries--- as a matter of fact, I have one on the rear view mirror of my car so that I have one close to me and available for prayer at all times. This is a symbol of my Catholicism, not any gang involvement.

Aside from the fact that it is dangerous and stupid to make assumptions like the one that this school made, it is also unconstitutional in this country. At least, for now....
:cds::cds:
 
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