I have the right to do anything!

seekeroftruth

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1 Corinthians 10:23 “I have the right to do anything,” you say—but not everything is beneficial. “I have the right to do anything”—but not everything is constructive. 24 No one should seek their own good, but the good of others.
25 Eat anything sold in the meat market without raising questions of conscience, 26 for, “The earth is the Lord’s, and everything in it.”
27 If an unbeliever invites you to a meal and you want to go, eat whatever is put before you without raising questions of conscience. 28 But if someone says to you, “This has been offered in sacrifice,” then do not eat it, both for the sake of the one who told you and for the sake of conscience. 29 I am referring to the other person’s conscience, not yours. For why is my freedom being judged by another’s conscience? 30 If I take part in the meal with thankfulness, why am I denounced because of something I thank God for?
31 So whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do it all for the glory of God. 32 Do not cause anyone to stumble, whether Jews, Greeks or the church of God— 33 even as I try to please everyone in every way. For I am not seeking my own good but the good of many, so that they may be saved.
This is from the commentary.

If any of those who do not believe invites you to dinner… eat what is set before you: If an unbeliever invites you to dinner, don’t get into a debate about the meat with them. Don’t ask, and it won’t bother you.​
But if I partake with thanks – that is, if I can eat with a clear conscience, and offending no one else’s conscience – why am I evil spoken of? Since the food itself is not the problem, no one should judge another Christian who can eat meat sacrificed to idols, as long as they don’t violate their own conscience or someone else’s.​
OK, Paul's still talking about what food they could eat as Christians. This is a letter to the Corinthians, who are not Jewish, so they are not required to stay Kosher. They are Christians though, so they have to be careful about what they do or say, because everyone is watching. Yesterday I used eating at the gay bar for lunch, it's about the same topic as today, only Paul's saying that if someone else sees them in that bar, it might hurt their Christian Witness.

I try to walk a mile every day. Most days I can do it. It only takes about 20 minutes a morning. I'm in Arizona now, so rain doesn't stop the morning walk very often [bummer]. Heat has slowed me down this year. The point is my neighbors see me walking almost every day. Not too long ago, one of my neighbors called me an "inspiration". The first thing that came to mind when she said that was "Oh Brother!". Since she said that, I feel obligated to walk. It's been in the 90s overnight here.... some mornings it has been just too hot and sticky to be anything near pleasant walking weather, but I am obligated to walk. I see her out there walking now. She isn't steady on her feet, so her hubby is with her. Most of the time he is in his mobility scooter [he has a bad back] and she is hanging on to the chair. She says something to me every time we pass each other. She walks a mile now... slower, but she walks it. On top of that... She lets me know when she doesn't see me out there early in the morning. Some mornings they are out there walking their laps while I'm still on my computer writing in this forum, but I see her, out the window, and she's looking for me.

Now suppose instead of "inspiring" her to walk, I was "inspiring" her to drop a tab of acid or drink some moonshine or walk around the block naked.... then I would be hurting her. I would be responsible. Since I now have a Christian conscience, I would know I did her wrong. She would carry the consequences of dropping the acid, or drinking the moonshine, or walking around naked, but so would I. I "inspired" it. I would have to answer to the charge of being a bad neighbor when I meet Jesus at Judgement.

That's what Paul's saying about the meat at the pagan temple. It's not bad meat in itself. It's probably a great cut because who would offer their god something that isn't fit to eat? It's the way it was cooked or cured or smoked or salted that makes it different from the meat the Jews were accustomed to eating. If someone saw Paul buy meat from the pagan market, then they would "know" it's ok to buy meat at the pagan market. If that person decided to go worship at the pagan temple, because they were invited while in the pagan market.... That would be on Paul. He "inspired" them and put them in a situation they could not handle.

Check out verses 23 & 24. It is true... I have the right to do anything! I agree! But if I "inspire" someone to do wrong or if I "inspire" someone to do something that will hurt them or if I "inspire" them and put them in a dangerous situation.... I have to pay the consequences.

I have the right to do anything! I have to be careful how I enjoy that right. I don't want to ruin a perfectly good Christian witness.

As a Christian I am called to "Love" my neighbor. I am called to "look out" for my neighbor.

I do have the right to do anything!

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seekeroftruth

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For your consideration ...



It's called, "Free Will".
I think.... Free Will comes BEFORE we accept Jesus. We can choose to follow or choose not to follow... That's Free Will. I think after that, we are being watched and judged by humans. They want to know if we are hypocrites or real worshipers. We are charged with doing what is right so that we don't make others stumble.

Being a Christian doesn't give us a free ticket to anything except eternal life.... we still have consequences.

I think that's how it goes.

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If I may ...
For your consideration ...

I think.... Free Will comes BEFORE we accept Jesus. We can choose to follow or choose not to follow... That's Free Will. I think after that, we are being watched and judged by humans. They want to know if we are hypocrites or real worshipers. We are charged with doing what is right so that we don't make others stumble.

Being a Christian doesn't give us a free ticket to anything except eternal life.... we still have consequences.

I think that's how it goes.

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Free will is always with a person and does not simply disappear with the acceptance of Christ. And why do you care if there are those that think of you/others as hypocrites or real worshipers? This is where many go astray. Trying to please, appease, others, worrying if they are being accepted for who they are, or what they do, or how they worship.

"We are charged with doing what is right so that we don't make others stumble." Who determines what is "right"? You? Others? Via your/their interpretation of the Bible?

It is one thing to believe in the tenets of a given religion, and live them to the best of one's ability or want. It's quite another to start judging others based on those tenets. Others that might have a completely different mind towards religion.

And about those consequences. As far as I understand it; one can be a Christian and a long time sinner, even doing some bad things along the way in life, and yet, pray for forgiveness just prior to death and be absolved of all those sins and those pearly agates will be opened wide. Same goes for "last rites" while unconscious just prior to death.

Pretty sure Jesus doesn't want robotic followers.
 

seekeroftruth

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For your consideration ...



Free will is always with a person and does not simply disappear with the acceptance of Christ. And why do you care if there are those that think of you/others as hypocrites or real worshipers? This is where many go astray. Trying to please, appease, others, worrying if they are being accepted for who they are, or what they do, or how they worship.

"We are charged with doing what is right so that we don't make others stumble." Who determines what is "right"? You? Others? Via your/their interpretation of the Bible?

It is one thing to believe in the tenets of a given religion, and live them to the best of one's ability or want. It's quite another to start judging others based on those tenets. Others that might have a completely different mind towards religion.

And about those consequences. As far as I understand it; one can be a Christian and a long time sinner, even doing some bad things along the way in life, and yet, pray for forgiveness just prior to death and be absolved of all those sins and those pearly agates will be opened wide. Same goes for "last rites" while unconscious just prior to death.

Pretty sure Jesus doesn't want robotic followers.
I'm pretty sure Jesus just wanted us to worry about feeding, healing, and caring for those around us.

That's been my point since the beginning of this letter. PAUL is all about what he thinks! He's so busy worrying about restricting the need for circumcision and food traditions, he doesn't seem to care what anyone else thinks; Including, in my opinion, Jesus the Lord. These are all restrictive policies that PAUL keeps harping on. If he was working on where to get enough food for everyone, then he wouldn't have time to be talking about Restricting Free Will. That's what PAUL wants....

Jesus only had two rules.... Love God and Love Others....

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