If Gay Marriage is ok, why is polygamy a crime?

[Toxick]

where is gay marriage a right written into the constitution

Same place where breathing is a right written into the constitution.

Same place where being allowed to buy food is written into the constitution.



Same place where having children, owning lavish furniture, putting gas in your boat, playing with Transformers, cooking omelettes, buying a house, gaining achievements in Halo 3, painting murals, scratching your balls, going to Styx concerts, taking pictures of butterflies, putting clothes-pins on your nipples, tattooing tramp-stamps, shaving, inviting friends over for your 4th of July BBQ party and swimming are written into the constitution.

 

[Toxick]

The 14th can be twisted to allow pretty much anything I want to do providing I dont infringe on the life, property or liberty of anyone else.

Congratulations, you see it now.

And the writers of the 14th Amendment now rest contentedly in their grave.

 

[bcp]

Congratulations, you see it now.

And the writers of the 14th Amendment now rest contentedly in their grave.

but you still failed to show me where marriage was a right.

I want to build a 10 story bar with pole dancing right next door to your house.
It would make me happy. The 14th says I can do it because someone in Vegas built the same thing in the desert.

 

[Pushrod]

where is gay marriage a right written into the constitution

Not all Rights are enumerated, that is stated in the Constitution also. The Rights enumerated in the Constitution were ones specifically targetted against infringement from the Federal Government. The 14th Ammendment made those also protected from the States. Just because they were pointed out in the BoR doesn't mean others don't exist and are not protected also.

 

[Pushrod]

but you still failed to show me where marriage was a right.

I want to build a 10 story bar with pole dancing right next door to your house.
It would make me happy. The 14th says I can do it because someone in Vegas built the same thing in the desert.

Look at this another way; Show me where it is not a Right.

Don't get me wrong, I have moral issues with Gay marriage. Legally though, they have every Right to marry as I have.

 

[vraiblonde]

but you still failed to show me where marriage was a right.

Would you accept that marriage is a privilege? Or do all of those have to be spelled out in the Constitution as well?

 

[Toxick]

but you still failed to show me where marriage was a right.

Does every single right have to be enumerated in the constitution for it to be a right?

I thought that point was blindingly obvious when I wrote this:

Same place where having children, owning lavish furniture, putting gas in your boat, playing with Transformers, cooking omelettes, buying a house, gaining achievements in Halo 3, painting murals, scratching your balls, going to Styx concerts, taking pictures of butterflies, putting clothes-pins on your nipples, tattooing tramp-stamps, shaving, inviting friends over for your 4th of July BBQ party and swimming are written into the constitution.

The Constitution is a not a list of what We the People are allowed to do. It is a list of what the government is not allowed to do.

I want to build a 10 story bar with pole dancing right next door to your house.
It would make me happy. The 14th says I can do it because someone in Vegas built the same thing in the desert.

Good luck getting that through zoning.



And I believe that they're trying to put up one of those next to the Ground-Zero Mosque using your rationale here.

 

[bcp]

Look at this another way; Show me where it is not a Right.

Don't get me wrong, I have moral issues with Gay marriage. Legally though, they have every Right to marry as I have.

No, I am not the one that claimed it was a right.
it is up to those people that are wrongly saying that the gays are not getting equal rights to prove that they are not getting equal rights.
so far, nobody has been able to do that.

 

[bcp]

The Constitution is a not a list of what We the People are allowed to do. It is a list of what the government is not allowed to do.

And one thing is that the federal judge should not have overturned the majority in a states issue. but we dont see too many people arguing that point.

 

[vraiblonde]

And one thing is that the federal judge should not have overturned the majority in a states issue. but we dont see too many people arguing that point.

Hello? That is exactly what federal court is for. Are you seriously that ignorant of US history??

No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws

When a state tries that crap, that's when the fed steps in.

You do not condone gay marriage, and that is your right. But you are still legally and Constitutionally wrong.

 

[vraiblonde]

The 14th can be twisted to allow pretty much anything I want to do providing I dont infringe on the life, property or liberty of anyone else.

So you DO understand.

 

[Toxick]

And one thing is that the federal judge should not have overturned the majority in a states issue. but we dont see too many people arguing that point.

Well:

Hello? That is exactly what federal court is for.

This is very similar to what I was going to write. So, I'll just say "what she said."

 

[yknotpoms]

I have found this to be a very interesting read.

What about the Separation of Church and State?

Define Marriage? Legal? Religious? Both? Think about it if you are married or think you want to be someday or maybe you were once before...Did you marry because of religion? Did you marry for benefits it offers you from the state(meaning any government benefit)?

To me if it is just religion you can be married to someone without a government issued license and have it been seen in the eyes of your God as true if your religion allows it. However, once you go get a marriage license from the government/state that portion of the marriage is no longer about religion. When I see people fighting for marriage rights on TV it is always about government/state marriage, not religious marriage. Is that 100% true maybe not, but the coverage I have seen only focuses on the government/state part.

As for a comment by TurboK9 –

“Going from a purely 'mental capacity' standpoint, the brain doesn't even begin to slow down forming it's neural connections until the mid twenties. That is when 'maturity', emotional stability, and the ability to rationalize really sets into stone.

” CRAP – Dose this mean every/most people in their late twenties are about as mature as they are going to get? For some I know I sure hope they are just slow to develop their neural connections.

As for a comment by exnodak –

“Sheep never live to the age of 18. Of course I suppose one could make up a formula for "sheep years".”

The Pentagon Wars - SHEEP SPECS! That is all I could think about when I saw your post…..

 

[Larry Gude]

No, I am not the one that claimed it was a right.
it is up to those people that are wrongly saying that the gays are not getting equal rights to prove that they are not getting equal rights.
so far, nobody has been able to do that.

You present an insoluble problem. As long as your argument begins and ends with a marriage being between a man and a woman, then there is no argument that can satisfy your position that no right is being denied.

To people who think that two gay people ought to be able to be bonded in their relationship, everything a marriage is except for the genders involved, your argument is rather shallow.

Consider. What is a marriage, the gender of the people involved or everything else that goes on in a marriage that has nothing to do with gender? You are arguing gender is all, or, at least the MOST important aspect. Others argue there is more, way more to it than just that.

So, if all marriage is is gender, then, you say it is impossible to violate a right because it simply can not be.

If marriage is everything else, then, it's pretty clear that gays are being denied the right to marry.

 

[Larry Gude]

I have found this to be a very interesting read.

What about the Separation of Church and State?

Define Marriage? Legal? Religious? Both?

Marruage is a state sanctioned, licensed agreement between two adults. Mant states, including Maryland, define it further as being between a man and a woman.

How you celebrate it, the ceremony you use that ends in licebsing, is a personal preference. There is the direct route, a JP at the courthouse, and the scenic route, any number of religious based or other type cremonies.

 

[bcp]

You present an insoluble problem. As long as your argument begins and ends with a marriage being between a man and a woman, then there is no argument that can satisfy your position that no right is being denied.

To people who think that two gay people ought to be able to be bonded in their relationship, everything a marriage is except for the genders involved, your argument is rather shallow.

Consider. What is a marriage, the gender of the people involved or everything else that goes on in a marriage that has nothing to do with gender? You are arguing gender is all, or, at least the MOST important aspect. Others argue there is more, way more to it than just that.

So, if all marriage is is gender, then, you say it is impossible to violate a right because it simply can not be.

If marriage is everything else, then, it's pretty clear that gays are being denied the right to marry.

show the right.

 

[Larry Gude]

show the right.

To you;

You present an insoluble problem. As long as your argument begins and ends with a marriage being between a man and a woman, then there is no argument that can satisfy your position that no right is being denied.

To me; right of free association, right of equal protection.

 

[JoeRider]

Look at this another way; Show me where it is not a Right.

Don't get me wrong, I have moral issues with Gay marriage. Legally though, they have every Right to marry as I have.

Where is marriage between man and women a Right in the Constitution?

 

[Merlin99]

but you still failed to show me where marriage was a right.

I want to build a 10 story bar with pole dancing right next door to your house.
It would make me happy. The 14th says I can do it because someone in Vegas built the same thing in the desert.

Marriage is a basic right as defined by the supreme court in Loving v. Virginia.

 

[Pushrod]

Where is marriage between man and women a Right in the Constitution?

Jeesh, I already stated this:

Not all Rights are enumerated, that is stated in the Constitution also. The Rights enumerated in the Constitution were ones specifically targetted against infringement from the Federal Government. The 14th Ammendment made those also protected from the States. Just because they were pointed out in the BoR doesn't mean others don't exist and are not protected also.
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Ammenment IX: The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.

I think that pretty much covers it.