If you are pro life are you also.....

Ken King

A little rusty but not crusty
PREMO Member
Wow.... Two whole posts, before you start ad hominem attacks. I figured you would have waited at least 4 posts.

Go #### yourself. I'm done with you, unless you have something useful to say.
Who attacked you dillhole? Just showing that you aren't thinking based on your message. You said I was putting words in your mouth when in fact I asked you a reasonable question that you sidetracked once you realized that you hadn't thought this through.

You are the one that should self-fornicate, and make sure you register after impregnating yourself.
 

Cowgirl

Well-Known Member
From conception, children are dependant on their parents for survival.


When their in utero, they're completely dependant. When they're born they're still dependant on the parent to provide nourishment, warmth, and sanitation. Not to mention the financial burden that is carried out well past the point of physical independence and into adulthood.

Your kid will be latched onto you from the time it's made till the time it dies... or until you die. And the farther you go back in their life, the more complete the dependence.


Frankly, I don't think the level of dependence for survival is relevant.

If you left an infant outside to die - which it would, since it's utterly dependent on its parents for survival - you would be charged with murder.

I just don't agree that it's the same with a fetus as it is with a baby or child. I mean, once the baby is born, the mother can do whatever she wants with her body without affecting the child.
 

Toxick

Splat
Who attacked you dillhole?

That would be you, assmouth.


You said I was putting words in your mouth when in fact I asked you a reasonable question that you sidetracked once you realized that you hadn't thought this through.
You may have couched it as a question. But don't act like it was anything other than what it was.

I didn't sidetrack it because I hadn't thought it through. I simply ignored it because you're acting like a Grade-A Horse's Ass.


There's a hell of a big difference between de-legalizing abortions, and tagging and collaring expectant mothers, and having bounty-hunters run down pregnant offenders who don't register, like your scenario implies.



And if you can't see that, then crawl back into your cave you cantankerous troglodyte.
 

Ken King

A little rusty but not crusty
PREMO Member
That would be you, assmouth.




You may have couched it as a question. But don't act like it was anything other than what it was.

I didn't sidetrack it because I hadn't thought it through. I simply ignored it because you're acting like a Grade-A Horse's Ass.


There's a hell of a big difference between de-legalizing abortions, and tagging and collaring expectant mothers, and having bounty-hunters run down pregnant offenders who don't register, like your scenario implies.



And if you can't see that, then crawl back into your cave you cantankerous troglodyte.
Asking a question makes one a horses-ass, well then I guess I am one, dillhole. And you certainly sidestepped an issue that you raised, that being how does one enforce protection for the unborn, those you say deserve equal protection, if you do not know whom the unborn are? Or is it that they should only be afforded limited protection against being aborted and not truly be equal at all?
 

Toxick

Splat
Asking a question makes on a horses-ass, well then I guess I am one, dillhole.
Learn a new word today, did we?


And you certainly sidestepped an issue that you raised, that being how does one enforce protection for the unborn, those you say deserve equal protection, if you do not know whom the unborn are? Or is it that they should only be afforded limited protection against being aborted and not truly be equal at all?

It's not my job to enforce the law. The reason it's not my job is because I know nothing of law-enforcement.

I know that killing people is bad.

It is my opinion that abortion is "killing people".

Therefore I think abortion is bad.



There are plenty of murders that go unnoticed, and unpunished.

There's plenty of dope that's smoked that goes unnoticed and unpunished.

There's a whole lot of speeders out there that go unnoticed and unpunished.

There's a whole lot of unbuckled seatbelts that go unnoticed and unpunished.

And if abortion is ever outlawed, I'm sure there will be plenty of them that go unnoticed and unpunished.




Dillhole.
 

Ken King

A little rusty but not crusty
PREMO Member
Learn a new word today, did we?





It's not my job to enforce the law. The reason it's not my job is because I know nothing of law-enforcement.

I know that killing people is bad.

It is my opinion that abortion is "killing people".

Therefore I think abortion is bad.



There are plenty of murders that go unnoticed, and unpunished.

There's plenty of dope that's smoked that goes unnoticed and unpunished.

There's a whole lot of speeders out there that go unnoticed and unpunished.

There's a whole lot of unbuckled seatbelts that go unnoticed and unpunished.

And if abortion is ever outlawed, I'm sure there will be plenty of them that go unnoticed and unpunished.




Dillhole.
Sidestepping again, I guess you aren't going to answer this simple question, are you? Or is it you don't have an answer as to what protection should be given and enforced. You truly are brilliant, you espouse that they are equal yet won't protect them from all evils. Your only message is abortion is wrong, well guess what @ss-hat, I think it is wrong also, but so aren't many other things that cause the termination of a pregnancy. But I guess you think those are just trivial and inconsequential to the topic.
 

Toxick

Splat
Sidestepping again, I guess you aren't going to answer this simple question, are you?
I did answer your question.

Or is it you don't have an answer as to what protection should be given and enforced.
That was my answer.

Here:
It's not my job to enforce the law. The reason it's not my job is because I know nothing of law-enforcement.

Do you want to see the words, "I don't know."

Ok: I DON'T KNOW.


You truly are brilliant, you espouse that they are equal yet won't protect them from all evils.
How are we going to protect anybody from all evils? I think that murder is wrong. Do I know how to protect every human being on the face of the earth from being murdered? No, I do not.

That doesn't mean we should legalize it.

But I guess you think those are just trivial and inconsequential to the topic.

You guess correctly.
 

Ken King

A little rusty but not crusty
PREMO Member
I did answer your question.



That was my answer.

Here:



Do you want to see the words, "I don't know."

Ok: I DON'T KNOW.




How are we going to protect anybody from all evils? I think that murder is wrong. Do I know how to protect every human being on the face of the earth from being murdered? No, I do not.

That doesn't mean we should legalize it.




You guess correctly.
Okay, no solution to a problem other then to declare them equal under the law. Like I said, brilliant. You should run for Congress. :sarcasm:
 

Toxick

Splat
Okay, no solution to a problem other then to declare them equal under the law. Like I said, brilliant. You should run for Congress. :sarcasm:


What are you saying, exactly? That unless I have viable solution to any given problem, I should simply accept the problem as something that's good and pure and true?

What's your point exactly?



We can't stop drugs from coming into the country, let's legalize them.

We can't stop people from stealing, let's legalize robbery.

We can't stop people from driving like dillholes, let's 86 all the road laws.

We can't stop people from busting caps, let's legalize murder.
 

Baja28

Obama destroyed America
What - when does life begin? For the purposes of this discussion, does it really matter? Are you just curious to what I think, or are you just going to find fault with any answer I give you, and use it as leverage?

I believe life begins when the fetus has blood flowing through it. The appearance of the first blood cell is around 18ish days after conception.

There you go. Let's call it 2 1/2 weeks.
:buttingin: Wholeheartedly disagree. 0-8 weeks is fine to abort. :buttingout:
 

Ken King

A little rusty but not crusty
PREMO Member
What are you saying, exactly? That unless I have viable solution to any given problem, I should simply accept the problem as something that's good and pure and true?

What's your point exactly?



We can't stop drugs from coming into the country, let's legalize them.

We can't stop people from stealing, let's legalize robbery.

We can't stop people from driving like dillholes, let's 86 all the road laws.

We can't stop people from busting caps, let's legalize murder.
The point is, posed in this question, what would be the ramifications of giving the unborn equal protection under the law, given that currently there is no mechanism for determining who they are?
 

ItalianScallion

Harley Rider
Opinions of abortion and murder are irrelevant since legally speaking abortion is not murder.
My opinion is that abortion is not murder until the fetus is viable outside the womb or for the mother's health/life. I think all elective abortions should be done before 12 weeks. But my opinions are irrelevant with what the current laws are.
Thank God your opinion doesn't count. By your logic, many old people should be aborted (euthanized) too right? They're in nursing homes and are not viable on their own.:smack: And, FYI, abortion is murder.
Isn't that the point of the thread?
What - when does life begin? For the purposes of this discussion, does it really matter? I believe life begins when the fetus has blood flowing through it. The appearance of the first blood cell is around 18ish days after conception.
There you go. Let's call it 2 1/2 weeks.
I thought you were in tune with when God says life begins????
At conception, not days or weeks later.
 

Go G-Men

New Member
I think pro-life and anti-death penalty would be a more of an easy comparison...but I understand your point.

If I was pro-life then of course I should be willingly to support as many crack head babies, welfare babies, and babies having babies as possible.

However since I am pro-choice, I think we should only assist people in finding jobs and getting back on their feet to a limited degree.

I don't know how FDR's Great Deal got so perverted - he made all those early "welfare" recipents work their arses off by building roads and such.
Well I am Pro-Choice but yet strongly support the Death Penalty. As a matter of fact I would like to see the Death Penalty used more.
 

Dork

Highlander's MPD
.....pro welfare?


Just a question.
I am pro-life and pro-responsibility. I am not against welfare but people who are on it shouldn't expect to be on it their whole lives and pass that lifestyle on to their kids. At some point,when they realize things are tight, maybe they will go get a damn job like the rest of us. If you are a brave soul, drive through a low income housing project during the morning. The parking lots are full of cars with tinted windows and spinners (they aren't working). Drive through again late in the afternoon. They are all just getting out of bed and are hanging out on the streets. Drive through again at midnight when most people are in bed resting for work the next day. The streets are crazy and busy. So, why is it they would even want to better themselves? After all, they can work the system, teach their 6 kids how to work the system and they can still afford delivery pizza and shiny bling. I say if the losers can't control their sexual urges and take responsibility for their actions, we need to offer them free vasectomies.
 

puggymom

Active Member
Thank God your opinion doesn't count. By your logic, many old people should be aborted (euthanized) too right? They're in nursing homes and are not viable on their own.:smack: And, FYI, abortion is murder.

I thought you were in tune with when God says life begins????
At conception, not days or weeks later.
So what is your opinion on ectopic pregnancies?
 

Dork

Highlander's MPD
Opinions of abortion and murder are irrelevant since legally speaking abortion is not murder.

My opinion is that abortion is not murder until the fetus is viable outside the womb or for the mother's health/life
. I think all elective abortions should be done before 12 weeks. But my opinions are irrelevant with what the current laws are.
Wow, do you really believe this? I'm glad my mother didn't. Life is so special. I'm glad my parents didn't think of me as a non viable being until I was born. Oh, my God! How can ANYONE think like this?
 

ItalianScallion

Harley Rider
Well I am Pro-Choice but yet strongly support the Death Penalty. As a matter of fact I would like to see the Death Penalty used more.
You folks cannot compare abortion with the death penalty!
Abortion is the taking of an INNOCENT life.
The death penalty is taking the life of a justly convicted criminal. HUGE DIFFERENCE!!!
I am pro life and pro death penalty. There is no fine line here. It is clearly defined in the Bible.
 
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