If you are pro life are you also.....

[This_person]

This comment is what made me think that:






So, if you make your own opinion, and I make my own opinion, why would you have made your comment of "whatever I think today is right, is right?" According to your post, we both make our own opinions about our morals....so why would there be a difference if you're religious and I'm not?

The difference is the standard from which it comes. A non-religion based moral, which (as stated in the quoted post above) is still a moral. However, the foundation is generally very loose - whatever that person thinks from their own personal experience with no larger influence.

If the morals come from the influence of the general American society, they're most always religious-based morals. The argument can be made that the morals came before the religion, or the religion is the foundation of the morals. Since we can't go back the many millenium we would need to to determine how moral people were before any religious concepts were established, we have to look at what actually exists - morals from religion, or morals directly and strongly influenced by religion, or morals that are self-made. The first two, obviously, have a millenium old foundation upon which to rest. The latter is no less valid, but has no foundation. That does not make it less of a moral by definition, just "whatever I think to day is right, is right".

Not substandard, different foundation.

 

[Kyle]

.....pro welfare?


Just a question.

I'm Pro-Soylent.

 

[morningbell]

I'm just giving you the connection between the two questions. I'm liberal, and I agree with some people getting welfare. I also think that if you are on welfare and have more children, you should not be able to get more money. In fact, I think if you get pregnant while on welfare, you should be booted off the system or have your payment amounts drastically reduced.

I understand what you are saying but I see a problem with this. This would just open up the doors for more back alley abortions and possibly deaths of the mother's lives. Some feel thats ok too.

 

[This_person]

I understand what you are saying but I see a problem with this. This would just open up the doors for more back alley abortions and possibly deaths of the mother's lives. Some feel thats ok too.

Being incredibly irresponsible with a person's own health is never okay, but always someone's right.

 

[CalvertNewbie]

I understand what you are saying but I see a problem with this. This would just open up the doors for more back alley abortions and possibly deaths of the mother's lives. Some feel thats ok too.

Or perhaps it would force them to actually work and take responsibility for their actions instead of taking financial advantage of those of us who do pay our own way. Or better yet, birth control works wonders if you can't afford to have and raise children. Nobody should count on us hardworking individuals to pay for them and their kids. Kids are expensive and a huge responsibility. For that reason, most people feel the need to limit the number of kids they have. I don't want to see a woman die while getting a botched abortion but I certainly am sick of paying for them to keep popping out kids from all different daddys. Personal responsibility should be forced on everyone. Like someone else mentioned earlier, there are many couples who would love to adopt a baby. If these parents can't take care of their kids (in every way, including financially), then they shouldn't be parents.

 

[Cowgirl]

I understand what you are saying but I see a problem with this. This would just open up the doors for more back alley abortions and possibly deaths of the mother's lives. Some feel thats ok too.

Why would it cause more back alley abortions if abortion is legal?

 

[puggymom]

Why would it cause more back alley abortions if abortion is legal?

I think she is refering to other's ideal world of illegal abortion and no welfare.

 

[MMDad]

I'm Pro-Soylent.

Is that what the "Green" party really is? The "greenies" like Gore are really going for Soylent?

 

[Xaquin44]

Is that what the "Green" party really is? The "greenies" like Gore are really going for Soylent?

ssssssshhhhhhhhhhh!

don't type it out you fool!

 

[ItalianScallion]

I purposely avoid the Religion forum so I don't have to read crap spewed from the bible. It would be great for all of you bible thumpers to take this to the Religion forum and out of this thread. Last I checked this was the political forum...

Just goes to show that you're wrong about separating religion and politics. The government is held up and supported by God, LIKE IT OR NOT little lady!
And, as the converse of your statement, why don't you NON bible thumpers stay out of the religious forums? Free speech toots!

Looks like you know the bible better than the hate filled "preacher."

Dream on son!

I am. I didn't just pull that number out of my ass.
Please show me in the bible where God says life begins at conception. I can point to several places in the bible where the power of life is present in the blood.

I think you might have gotten them from there Toxick. Life in the blood has nothing to do with when life begins.
Abortions were not practiced in OT times nor in the NT that I know of BUT that didn't stop God from making it very clear that ALL HUMAN life is sacred & precious. So, while there is no verse that says directly that life begins at conception, God implies that it does. If He says he knew us before we were made and when we were in our mother's womb, I can safely say that we're human from conception.
And anyone with an IQ of 1 can easily figure out that if a man and a woman have intercourse, the resulting product starts out a human being and lives and dies a human being. It doesn't start out as a frog, change to a fish, turn into a monkey and then become human. So, doubting Thomas, what the he!! would you expect it to be? I can't believe that ANYONE (especially you) could be that bilnd. If you're interested: Exodus 20 v 13, Deuteronomy 30 v 9, Psalm 139 v 13-16, Jeremiah 1 v 5.

Hey, you know it's possible to have morals without being religious?!

I know you don't believe in God but all people start out moral. They grow to become immoral, they don't know immorality when they're babies. WHY? Because God instills morality in everyone from the start and gives them free will to go against it later. Sure you can have morals and not be religious but morality comes from God first.

 

[Xaquin44]

Just goes to show that you're wrong about separating religion and politics. The government is held up and supported by God, LIKE IT OR NOT little lady!

No it isn't.

not even close.

and thank goodness for that.

 

[ItalianScallion]

No it isn't.

not even close.

and thank goodness for that.

It doesn't look like it is today but that's because it has gotten far away from morality but, if God wasn't in it, we'd have NO freedoms. Freedom loss coming soon, however.

 

[Cowgirl]

Just goes to show that you're wrong about separating religion and politics. The government is held up and supported by God, LIKE IT OR NOT little lady!
And, as the converse of your statement, why don't you NON bible thumpers stay out of the religious forums? Free speech toots!

Wow. Congratulations! You just won the award the THE BIGGEST FORUM PRICK. Aren't you still single? It's no wonder.....

It's normal to debate religion in the Religion forum. It's normal to discuss politics in the Politics forum.

I know you don't believe in God but all people start out moral. They grow to become immoral, they don't know immorality when they're babies. WHY? Because God instills morality in everyone from the start and gives them free will to go against it later. Sure you can have morals and not be religious but morality comes from God first.

I'm not going to get into a religious discussion with you.

 

[Xaquin44]

you're a lot of talk with no evidence.

but then again, you're trying to argue for courts putting prisoners to death using two bible verses that don't mention courts, police, criminals, or death.

so if we as a culture have moved past those 'morals' then good for us.

 

[morningbell]

I think she is refering to other's ideal world of illegal abortion and no welfare.

right

 

[ItalianScallion]

Wow. Congratulations! You just won the award the THE BIGGEST FORUM PRICK. Aren't you still single? It's no wonder.....
It's normal to debate religion in the Religion forum. It's normal to discuss politics in the Politics forum.

Does this mean that you hate me? WOW, and over a difference of opinion? I guess you won't "meet me half way" as your avatar says, right? Just to show you that big pricks have no hard feelings (that sounds weird)

you're a lot of talk with no evidence.

but then again, you're trying to argue for courts putting prisoners to death using two bible verses that don't mention courts, police, criminals, or death.

so if we as a culture have moved past those 'morals' then good for us.

This is like showing Stevie Wonder my photo album!
The evidence is there Xaquin even if you won't see it. Go find a good Christian and ask him or her what the passages mean to them. Go for the best 2 out of 3 and I'll bet that you'll find what I say is true.

 

[morningbell]

Just goes to show that you're wrong about separating religion and politics. The government is held up and supported by God, LIKE IT OR NOT little lady!
And, as the converse of your statement, why don't you NON bible thumpers stay out of the religious forums? Free speech toots!

Thats why I posted this in the POLITICS forum, not to be confused with the RELIGION forum.

 

[morningbell]

Or perhaps it would force them to actually work and take responsibility for their actions instead of taking financial advantage of those of us who do pay our own way. Or better yet, birth control works wonders if you can't afford to have and raise children. Nobody should count on us hardworking individuals to pay for them and their kids. Kids are expensive and a huge responsibility. For that reason, most people feel the need to limit the number of kids they have. I don't want to see a woman die while getting a botched abortion but I certainly am sick of paying for them to keep popping out kids from all different daddys. Personal responsibility should be forced on everyone. Like someone else mentioned earlier, there are many couples who would love to adopt a baby. If these parents can't take care of their kids (in every way, including financially), then they shouldn't be parents.

What gets me is this past week, working where I work, seeing the goings on of the place around me, really observing other people's lives makes me not really feel any empathy for the situation they're in. Watching a bunch of grown men on a Monday sitting in folding chairs on the front lawn of someone's house drinking 40s and arguing about who drank all of who's beer. Same guy yells at someone in a truck passing telling them they have been looking for work Then on the ride home passing crackheads, crack dealers, crackwhores and drunks.... it really wears me down. Then I think of the children these people have, would abortion be better than a down trotted life of pain, drugs, crime and murder?

 

[ItalianScallion]

Wow. Congratulations! You just won the award the THE BIGGEST FORUM PRICK. Aren't you still single? It's no wonder.....

By the way, with what I have to choose from in So Md, I'll prolly be single for a long while BUT....having gotten 2 gals phone numbers and another's email address in the last month is something; I think. Being single isn't all bad :shrug:

Thats why I posted this in the POLITICS forum, not to be confused with the RELIGION forum.

First, did you really think that talking about being pro life would draw no religious comments?
Second, HAVE YOU NEVER SEEN A THREAD GET HI-JACKED ON HERE LADY???

 

[morningbell]

First, did you really think that talking about being pro life would draw no religious comments?
Second, HAVE YOU NEVER SEEN A THREAD GET HI-JACKED ON HERE LADY???