If you don’t think Trump’s hiring freeze hurts our military, and military families, think again
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glhs837
Power with Control
Funny, when I saw this posted on a active duty oriented FB page, they tore this to shreds, saying that this is a perfect example of the exemptions built into the EO, and that not having used those exemptions shows a lack leadership.
sparkyaclown
Active Member
Agree, either it is bad leadership or they didn't want to be bothered with the program anymore and this seemed like a good excuse. There are exceptions that can be made to the hiring freeze.
Nah... it's just easier to blame Trump.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
dependapotomus
So, if your gummint provided benefits were to stop march 1, because of strong budget cuts to get the deficit in order, what would your response be? Adjust? be resilient? Accept it?
Wouldn't that be something if military retirement benefits was what they cut instead of welfare, foreign aid, and the host of other crap that wasn't actually earned by Americans?
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Fair point but not the question. Soldiers fight, we're told, for all our freedom. That includes the vote. Or is the gummint just for those who 'earned' it?
I'm not even sure what that means.
People go into the military with a contract that says they will get certain retirement benefits if they do the whole gig. I am unaware that we are born with a contract that says the government will pay us; I am also unaware that foreign countries are entitled to our tax bucks as well.
That said, and I'm merely guessing how Monello might answer your question because he's currently out doing fishing things, if the government stripped all military vets of their retirement benefits, he would adjust accordingly.
I mean....what do you think might be an alternative?
glhs837
Power with Control
My retirement benefits were part of a contract I signed with the govt when I enlisted. The other things Vrai referenced are not like that.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Fair point, too. But, if we're broke? Where does Social Security rank? Or Medicare? Or infrastructure costs and maintenance? Or the CIA? Or every other federal employee?
I'm a pro military person my whole life. Long ago, as a kid, $400 hammers and assistant assistant janitors making great pay made more sense to me than paying people to sit at home. So, I'm not asking the question from an adversarial point.
I'm asking from a practical point; how is it OK to expect one over the other to accept breaking or breaching their 'contract'? For everyone who says they have a contract and also says 'we (the gummint) is broke, in civil law, that ends contracts.
it's a philosophical question and given people who ARE hostile to the military have the vote, I think an important one.
Anyway, I am confused.
http://www.military.com/daily-news/...freeze-suspends-army-child-care-programs.html
So they get the permission, what's the problem?
One would think, if this were a real thing, ALL military installations would be shutting down their child care facilities, not just these few.
:shrug:
http://www.military.com/daily-news/...freeze-suspends-army-child-care-programs.html
So they get the permission, what's the problem?
One would think, if this were a real thing, ALL military installations would be shutting down their child care facilities, not just these few.
:shrug:
glhs837
Power with Control
But aint that wonderful thing? As long as you can print money, you cant be broke. But assuming for the sake of argument that you could go broke, I might argue that breaking faith with the people you trained to kill might be a bad place to start. Do I pay the water bill, who will NOT break my knees, or my bookie, who will?
Larry Gude
Strung Out
No. The wonderful thing is we don't need to print money. Just make sure the cards are accepted; all digital.
And let's not dramatize the thing. In WWII, there were 20 men who never touched a trigger in combat to support the 5% who did the actual fighting. What is that now? 40:1? 100? The military is BIG business far beyond the men who actually volunteered to do the real fighting. When I heard they had Pizza Hut and burger joints, ice cream companies in A'stan and Iraq AND we were paying foreign nationals, not American's, to provide services my patriotic gene got jolted.
Heinlein.
glhs837
Power with Control
Always been a fan of earned citizenship. Except, of course, it should be earned by service, no buy-in allowed.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
glhs837
Power with Control
Goes to your "earned it" point. and yes, he was. And we'll get there eventually. Globalism will be a thing someday. Just like a true color blind society. I suspect it wont be til were truly a systemwide species.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
I'm still not clear. Isn't that support my contention, my questions as to how to rank importance when we're talking about the limits and responsibilities of our gummint? Doesn't he expand, massively, the breadth and scope of gummint with that line of reasoning?
acommondisaster
Active Member
That letter kind of reminds me of the government shutdown a few years ago where they added Park Police to guard the memorials and parks in DC that were shut down. Sounds to me like a letter from a drama queen trying to prove Trump was a bad choice. I don't know about down there at Pax River, but there were plenty of agencies that when on full board hiring binges prior to inauguration.