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Bruzilla

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I opened my inbox this afternoon, and found this bit of garbage from the loons at Moveon.org... an organization that it is very, very, unlikely I would ever have anything to do with. Despite the fact that I would rather join the NAMBLA than these goofs, the letter started "Dear MoveOn member." I guess buying email addresses wholesale, and sending these stupid letters out, is how they're claiming to have so many "members." :bs:


During the buildup to war, President Bush said the United States "must not ignore the threat gathering against us. Facing clear evidence of peril, we cannot wait for the final proof -- the smoking gun -- that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud.... We have every reason to assume the worst, and we have an urgent duty to prevent the worst from occurring." 1

On the eve of sending troops into battle, Bush asserted that "intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised." 2

Now David Kay, the CIA’s chief weapons inspector, has testified before Congress that these weapons do not exist.

In an attempt to evade responsibility for the misleading statements that pushed the nation into war, Bush has announced plans to form an independent inquiry to look into what went wrong. An inquiry would serve the Bush administration well: it would envelop the issue in a fog of uncertainty, deflect blame onto the intelligence services, and delay any political damage until 2005, after the upcoming election. 3

But the facts need no clarification. Despite repeated warnings from the CIA and the Defense Intelligence Agency, President Bush and his administration hyped and distorted the threat that Iraq posed. 4 And now that reality is setting in, the President wants to pin the blame on someone else. We can't let him.

Congress has the power to censure the President -- to formally reprimand him for betraying the nation's trust. If ever there was a time for this, it's now. Join our call on Congress to censure President Bush at:

http://www.moveon.org/censure/

It's clear that we’ve been misled:


David Kay said last week, "I'm personally convinced that there were not large stockpiles of newly produced weapons of mass destruction," and "We don't find the people, the documents or the physical plants that you would expect to find if the production was going on." 5 Kay said these things shortly after resigning from his post as Bush's chief weapons inspector in Iraq.

Bush, in his 2003 State of the Union address, said, "the British government has learned that Saddam Hussein recently sought significant quantities of uranium from Africa." 6 Yet Ambassador Joe Wilson, who was sent to Niger in February 2002 to determine whether Iraq was trying to purchase uranium materials there, concluded that "intelligence related to Iraq's nuclear weapons program was twisted to exaggerate the Iraqi threat." 7

A CIA report in February 2003 said: "We do not have any direct evidence that Iraq has used the period since [1998] to reconstitute its Weapons of Mass Destruction programs." 8
It's also clear that the misleading was deliberate:


The respected Carnegie Endowment for International Peace recently found that the administration "systematically misrepresented the threat" from Iraq. 9

The basis for President Bush's African uranium claim was known at the time to be forged and not credible.10 "Top White House officials knew that the CIA seriously disputed the claim that Saddam Hussein was seeking uranium in Africa long before the claim was included in Bush's January address to the nation," according to the Washington Post.11

Secretary of State Colin Powell became alarmed at the level of intelligence distortion. When he read the first draft of his speech to the UN -- prepared for Powell by Vice President Dick Cheney's chief of staff -- he was so upset that he lost his temper, throwing several pages in the air and declaring, "I'm not reading this. This is bullsh--."12
Our democracy only works when we know the truth. We now know President Bush and his administration deliberately misled Congress and the American people. Censure is the least we should expect in response.

The independent inquiry will need a year or more to come to a conclusion, according to the Bush administration. It took less time than that for the country to go to war. We don't need more investigation, we need accountability, and we need it now.

Join our call on Congress to censure President Bush at:

http://www.moveon.org/censure/

We'll be holding a press conference in Washington on Thursday, announcing our campaign for Censure. If you sign on now, we can count your signature at the press conference. Please sign on right away.

Thank you.

Sincerely,

- Adam, Carrie, Eli, James, Joan, Laura, Noah, Peter, Wes, and Zack
The MoveOn.org Team
Tuesday, February 3, 2004

Footnotes:

1. Washington Post, January 28, 2004

2. Official White House transcript, March 17, 2003

3. Washington Post, February 2, 2004

4. An excellent, comprehensive rundown on the Bush administration's deliberate distortion of intelligence is available from the Center for American Progress


5. New York Times, January 26, 2004

6. Official White House transcript, January 28, 2003

7. Joseph Wilson Op-Ed, New York Times, July 6, 2003
Note: Wilson's wife, Valerie Plame, had her CIA cover blown, possibly by the White House, in apparent retaliation for Wilson's contradicting the White House's line on WMDs.

8. MSNBC News, Oct. 24, 2003

9. Carnegie Endowment for International Peace report, "WMD in Iraq: Evidence and Implications", January, 2004

10. New York Times, July 8, 2003

11. Washington Post News Service, July 23, 2003

12. US News & World Report, June 9, 2003
Note: This article with the Powell quote is available for purchase from the US News & World Report archives for $2.95.
 
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Bruzilla

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Here's my reply...

Dear Adam, Carrie, Eli, James, Joan, Laura, Noah, Peter, Wes, and Zack,

Thanks so much for the little letter you sent me, and may I say how unsurprised I am that it took ten of you to come up with it. That says a lot for our American education system doesn't it? I am not a member of moveon.org, but I always appreciate hearing what folks on your side of the fence think about things as it always reconfirms my decision to stay a Republican.

Did Bush lie to the American people? If he did, then Bush Sr. and Clinton lied too. Should they receive a retroactive censure... I missed any condemnation of them in your email. Also, I think I agree with most Americans that I'm glad we got rid of Hussein, and that we're finally bringing stability to that area of the world, albeit slowly. It took us the better part of 50 years to stabilize Europe after thousands of years of fighting there, and it may take us 50 years to get the Middle East squared away, but I would rather make investments in maintaining the peace than to have to constantly go on peacekeeping missions after some peace treaty or another breaks down. It took the US sitting on Europe to get them where they are today, and it'll take the same effort in the Middle East.

If lieing about nuclear weapons, or other WMDs, is what it took to get approval to make this first move, more power to Bush. He could have claimed the Iraqis are all aliens for all I care. What I can't believe is that you guys are so, so, desperate to find something to attack Bush on that you're trying to censure him for saying things that your beloved Clinton administration held so dearly to be true. Talk about hypocrites!

If I were you guys, I would stop wasting money on buying email address lists and bothering people like me, and invest that money in some good crying towels. You're going to need them come November.

Best Wishes

Bruzilla
 

hwyman3

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You have to remember how the folks at Moveon.org will look at the facts that Clinton used the same intelligence information to attack Iraq. Clinton wanted to attack Iraq to cover up another affair. Bush was only interested in protecting American citizens. To them, Clinton's purpose was honorable. Bush just wanted to make more money for the oil companies.

Is the world safer since we got rid of Hussen? Of course it is. Will we ever find any WMD? Probably not, they were shipped out of Iraq long before we attacked.

My advise to Moveon.org, take a cue from your organization's name and move on! Get over it!
 
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