Immigration stupidity

[vraiblonde]

Blah blah blah - is it just me or are pretty much all of the politicians and pundits stupid? Okay, so a kid whose preggo mom managed to drag her boofed out ass across the border to drop her spawn is a US citizen. That's fine. But that doesn't mean the parents are now citizens. So keep the baby and send the parents back, or allow them to take their child back to their own country and relinquish its American citizenship. Simple.

What's wrong with that solution and why is some dummy like me the only one talking about it?

 

[This_person]

Blah blah blah - is it just me or are pretty much all of the politicians and pundits stupid? Okay, so a kid whose preggo mom managed to drag her boofed out ass across the border to drop her spawn is a US citizen. That's fine. But that doesn't mean the parents are now citizens. So keep the baby and send the parents back, or allow them to take their child back to their own country and relinquish its American citizenship. Simple.

What's wrong with that solution and why is some dummy like me the only one talking about it?

If you say keep the kid, you're for breaking up poor, innocent families. If you say send them with the parents, you're against Americans.

Never mind that it is actually the parents breaking up families. When people go to jail after breaking the law, no one suggests that they shouldn't be incarcerated because it would break up the family. Being deported is no conceptual difference; it's a consequence of violating the law.

Never mind that our current president was escorted out of the country for years because his mom wanted to keep her family together.

No, unless you say anchor babies mean illegal aliens should be allowed to legally stay in the country (and, of course, vote) you are a heartless, racist bastard/bitch.

 

[Pushrod]

Blah blah blah - is it just me or are pretty much all of the politicians and pundits stupid? Okay, so a kid whose preggo mom managed to drag her boofed out ass across the border to drop her spawn is a US citizen. That's fine. But that doesn't mean the parents are now citizens. So keep the baby and send the parents back, or allow them to take their child back to their own country and relinquish its American citizenship. Simple.

What's wrong with that solution and why is some dummy like me the only one talking about it?

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[Hijinx]

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Does anyone wish to speak about how bad a country is when it's citizens want to go to another country so that their children do not bear the burden of being a citizen of the country they left?

That country that is so bad that our companies send their jobs down there because they can get away with paying slave wages.
A country where Oreo is going to make their cookies and Hershey makes our candy bars.
Where our automobile parts come from. We send down our jobs and they send us their citizens to work our menial jobs and put our own citizens out of work.

Could Mexico even exist without our American money? What would happen to Mexico if we sent their 30 million illegals back to them.
What would happen if we stopped those illegals from sending money back to Mexico.
What would happen if Americans stopped buying their dope?
It isn't only Mexico, they just happen to be on our border. We get people from most of South America, who are living in piss-poor conditions.
Why don't we treat their illegals the way they treat those who arrive in their country illegally?

Basically America is being sold out by politicians who take the big money from companies who benefit from allowing illegals into this country and who pass laws forcing companies to go to other countries. America is going down and it is because our politicians sold us out.

Our greatest problem is on Capitol Hill. If we had decent legislators the problem in the White House would be neutered.

 

[tommyjo]

Blah blah blah - is it just me or are pretty much all of the politicians and pundits stupid? Okay, so a kid whose preggo mom managed to drag her boofed out ass across the border to drop her spawn is a US citizen. That's fine. But that doesn't mean the parents are now citizens. So keep the baby and send the parents back, or allow them to take their child back to their own country and relinquish its American citizenship. Simple.

What's wrong with that solution and why is some dummy like me the only one talking about it?

Of the two "simple" options you propose...which would you select if you were the mother?

 

[glhs837]

Of the two "simple" options you propose...which would you select if you were the mother?

As a father, if I could be sure my child would have a good home and be loved, I would leave them here until I could weave my way back through the legal process. The advantages of growing up here would e better in the long term for my child.

 

[Gilligan]

Of the two "simple" options you propose...which would you select if you were the mother?

If those were the options, most mothers would choose....wait for it, sugar tits.....NEITHER! They would stay the fawk home. Which is entirely the point. The point you missed.

 

[Tilted]

Blah blah blah - is it just me or are pretty much all of the politicians and pundits stupid? Okay, so a kid whose preggo mom managed to drag her boofed out ass across the border to drop her spawn is a US citizen. That's fine. But that doesn't mean the parents are now citizens. So keep the baby and send the parents back, or allow them to take their child back to their own country and relinquish its American citizenship. Simple.

What's wrong with that solution and why is some dummy like me the only one talking about it?

I don't think you're the only one talking about it, I've heard others saying much the same thing.

We couldn't make the child (or their parents on their behalf) relinquish their American citizenship just because they went to live somewhere else. They have a constitutional right to that citizenship, and nothing in that citizenship right makes it contingent on them always living here in the United States. (We can by law make statutorily granted citizenship - e.g. for those born overseas to U.S. parents - contingent on their living here at some point in time or otherwise doing something to affirm their U.S. citizenship, but we can't do that with birthright citizenship and, further, parents can't give up citizenship on their childrens' behalf.) But we can make the parents leave possibly choosing to take their children with them. When those children are old enough they can decide whether they want to return here.

But as has been the case for a long time we prioritize immigration law enforcement (just as we prioritize in all areas of law enforcement) and focus on removing certain kinds of illegal aliens. We do that partly because of limited resources (as removal proceedings can, by law, drag out to some degree) and partly because we recognize the impracticality of removing all of the illegal aliens (e.g. based on the economic disruption it would cause) that are here. So, wisely or unwisely, illegal alien parents of birthright citizens tend not to be removed unless they are prioritized for other reasons - e.g. because they've committed certain kinds of crimes.

Anyway, I don't think you're the only one talking about doing just what you're suggesting. Plenty of people that I know talk about it. The question is whether we'll do it - and I suspect, regardless of what party holds the White House, we won't. Those illegal aliens will likely always be low on the removal prioritization scale.

 

[Agee]

Basically America is being sold out by politicians who take the big money from companies who benefit from allowing illegals into this country and who pass laws forcing companies to go to other countries. America is going down and it is because our politicians sold us out.

Our greatest problem is on Capitol Hill. If we had decent legislators the problem in the White House would be neutered.

Amen!

Exactly why Capital Hill will continue to pump-out hot air that vanishes into the atmosphere.

 

[Larry Gude]

Blah blah blah - is it just me or are pretty much all of the politicians and pundits stupid? Okay, so a kid whose preggo mom managed to drag her boofed out ass across the border to drop her spawn is a US citizen. That's fine. But that doesn't mean the parents are now citizens. So keep the baby and send the parents back, or allow them to take their child back to their own country and relinquish its American citizenship. Simple.

What's wrong with that solution and why is some dummy like me the only one talking about it?

Both parties are, institutionally, in favor of illegal immigration. Really not sure why you'd be looking at this from a reasonable solution standpoint if you understand and accept that both parties are FOR illegal immigration.

The D's want more people to promise stuff to and build brand loyalty.
The R's want more people to sell stuff to.

ANY immigration control plan that limits even one immigrant is at odds with the parties interests.

 

[Larry Gude]

Basically America is being sold out by politicians...

Sold out TO American's. Not just big companies.

 

[vraiblonde]

Of the two "simple" options you propose...which would you select if you were the mother?

I wouldn't purposely have my child in a foreign country. That's the whole point.

 

[Vince]

Blah blah blah - is it just me or are pretty much all of the politicians and pundits stupid? Okay, so a kid whose preggo mom managed to drag her boofed out ass across the border to drop her spawn is a US citizen. That's fine. But that doesn't mean the parents are now citizens. So keep the baby and send the parents back, or allow them to take their child back to their own country and relinquish its American citizenship. Simple.

What's wrong with that solution and why is some dummy like me the only one talking about it?

Exactly why they should do away with anchor babies. Then the mother won't cross the border to begin with just to have her baby in the US. She'll wait until the baby is born and they'll both cross to become illegals.

 

[Tilted]

Both parties are, institutionally, in favor of illegal immigration. Really not sure why you'd be looking at this from a reasonable solution standpoint if you understand and accept that both parties are FOR illegal immigration.

The D's want more people to promise stuff to and build brand loyalty.
The R's want more people to sell stuff to.

ANY immigration control plan that limits even one immigrant is at odds with the parties interests.

And, more generally and whether we consciously recognize it or not, we all want people that are willing to work hard for lower wages to perform some of society's more basic work functions and thus (1) bring down the basic costs of life for the rest of us and (2) free us up to do things for which the compensation tends to be little higher.

Societies have always had that core general desire. Throughout history, as now, it has contributed to greater prosperity in general for societies that have been able to realize the desire. It's manifested itself in different ways through the years and in different places - in slavery, in the rigid class structure of more traditional European societies, in the employment environment of the early - pre-union and pre worker protection laws - industrial age. Now it manifests itself, e.g., in importing large amounts of goods from China and tolerating large numbers of illegal aliens living and working in the United States.

 

[Midnightrider]

I wouldn't purposely have my child in a foreign country. That's the whole point.

you might if the country you lived in was a #### hole and having your baby in another country might give him/her a better life.

 

[vraiblonde]

you might if the country you lived in was a #### hole and having your baby in another country might give him/her a better life.

The #### holery of other countries isn't our problem, and there's no legitimate reason why we should allow them to come over here and make our country a #### hole. Legal immigrants are great - love them, bring them on. ILlegal immigrants, however, are a different story.

 

[Gilligan]

you might if the country you lived in was a #### hole and having your baby in another country might give him/her a better life.

Exactly why the anchor-baby loophole needs to be shut off.

 

[Larry Gude]

And, more generally and whether we consciously recognize it or not, we all want people that are willing to work hard for lower wages to perform some of society's more basic work functions and thus (1) bring down the basic costs of life for the rest of us and (2) free us up to do things for which the compensation tends to be little higher.

Societies have always had that core general desire. Throughout history, as now, it has contributed to greater prosperity in general for societies that have been able to realize the desire. It's manifested itself in different ways through the years and in different places - in slavery, in the rigid class structure of more traditional European societies, in the employment environment of the early - pre-union and pre worker protection laws - industrial age. Now it manifests itself, e.g., in importing large amounts of goods from China and tolerating large numbers of illegal aliens living and working in the United States.

Well, the 'whether we recognize it not' part certainly manifests itself in the type of people we keep voting for. As for 'prosperity' I can't say it has clearly worked to better people's lives let alone economic prosperity, at least not in a general welfare sense. The last 15 years has devastated the middle class and made a small segment of the population VERY wealthy.

So, to the point, are we better off, in your view, than, say, January 1, 2000? In the general welfare sense?

 

[Larry Gude]

The #### holery of other countries isn't our problem, .

For heavens sake, watch what you say!!!!!!!!!!!! The neocons around here could not disagree with you more. They might just declare you a terrorist host/exporter/militant/bad person and invade your ass. For your own good. Shhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!! ALL the #### holes are our problem.

 

[Midnightrider]

The #### holery of other countries isn't our problem, and there's no legitimate reason why we should allow them to come over here and make our country a #### hole. Legal immigrants are great - love them, bring them on. ILlegal immigrants, however, are a different story.

i dont think "they" are making our country a ####hole.

As for your proposal, once the child is born here that child is a legal citizen and has the rights of a citizen. Thats just the way it is and I seriously doubt that will change.

So again, the children are not 'illegals' they are citizens.