In the matter of George Zimmerman

Hank

my war
Turn your head about 30 degrees to the right and imagine six middle-aged women listening to Sybrina agonize about hearing this baby of hers crying in anquish.
You're twisted!

...and what is "anquish"? You sound like Gurps...
 

Gilligan

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Turn your head about 30 degrees to the right and imagine six middle-aged women listening to Sybrina agonize about hearing this baby of hers crying in anquish.
If she hadn't kicked her "baby boy" outa her house and sent him live with his father, he would have probably lived a bit longer. Until his propensity for fighting backfired on him somewhere else.
 

b23hqb

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I could hear the prosecution groan all the way over hear. They were hoping for a "mercy dismissal" so their nightmare would be over.:killingme
Have to agree. This judge is toast if this case was resolved by her judgement before she is up for re-election.

She has no idea the spotlight she is in. If she does, upon re-election, she is in a professional spotlight of which she had no idea of what she is in for.
 
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PsyOps

Pixelated
I could hear the prosecution groan all the way over here. They were hoping for a "mercy dismissal" so their nightmare would be over.:killingme
There are so many things going through my mind about this decision. The main one being that the judge knows how emotionally charged this is and what could be the public response of a 'not guilty' finding. She doesn't want that responsibility falling on her shoulders. She is still human and would look out for self preservation.

And I think that's what makes this whole thing so sad. There is a fear out there that there will be violence if the verdict goes Zimmerman's way. These folks threatening violence aren't interested in the truth and allowing the justice system do its thing.
 

MarieB

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There are so many things going through my mind about this decision. The main one being that the judge knows how emotionally charged this is and what could be the public response of a 'not guilty' finding. She doesn't want that responsibility falling on her shoulders. She is still human and would look out for self preservation.

And I think that's what makes this whole thing so sad. There is a fear out there that there will be violence if the verdict goes Zimmerman's way. These folks threatening violence aren't interested in the truth and allowing the justice system do its thing.
I was thinking the same thing today as the medical examiner didn't seem to want to take any responsibility for things that he is really responsible for, even if he doesn't himself do them
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
I was thinking the same thing today as the medical examiner didn't seem to want to take any responsibility for things that he is really responsible for, even if he doesn't himself do them
In many ways I think his testimony was worse than Jeantel's. It appeared to me that he was trying to be dramatic and playing for the cameras. I expect a book to come from him, and lots of interviews and spots on TV.
 

Gilligan

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There is a fear out there that there will be violence if the verdict goes Zimmerman's way. These folks threatening violence aren't interested in the truth and allowing the justice system do its thing.
A fear?. Heck, I think we can count on it. Absolutely.
 

itsrequired

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There is a difference between being on top and beating. There is also a difference between beating and attacking.

The state has not conceded that Martin attacked anyone. At least not that I have seen. Again, I didn't hear the opening statements, but it is pretty clear the states case relies on Zimmerman not being protected by self defense if he is following someone.
It has occurred to me that you really don't understand what the prosecution is trying to prove. The syg has nothing to do really with either of them. The key to the prosecutions case is that Zimmerman acted with depraved heart. That is the only way they could win. In order for them to do that, they have to disprove that Zimmerman was defending himself. If Zimmerman believes his life is in jeopardy, then he may act with deadly force.

I think most reasonable people would say that a person who is on the ground, getting hit from above and there is a gun brought into the scenario deadly force is justified.
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
It has occurred to me that you really don't understand what the prosecution is trying to prove. The syg has nothing to do really with either of them. The key to the prosecutions case is that Zimmerman acted with depraved heart. That is the only way they could win. In order for them to do that, they have to disprove that Zimmerman was defending himself. If Zimmerman believes his life is in jeopardy, then he may act with deadly force.

I think most reasonable people would say that a person who is on the ground, getting hit from above and there is a gun brought into the scenario deadly force is justified.
Zimmerman really doesn't have to prove his life was in jeopardy. The minimum standard is severe bodily harm. That could really mean just about anything. It's a pretty wide open door for interpretation that makes it impossible for the prosecution to refute.
 

protectmd

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Perhaps the strongest argument is yet to come. The mere fact that he waived his opportunity and right to a "stand your ground" hearing and took this matter to trial, based on the fact that the weight of the evidence is enough to end in a "Not Guilty" finding is remarkable. I would say that he has a pretty strong case and this case will result in a "Not Guilty" verdict.

Furthermore, this case will set the standard for "stand your ground" law and decisions in the state of Florida.

As the trial continues to slowly work in Zimmerman's favor, I would imagine that you will see alot more threats and calls for violence and rioting as a result of this trial. Its going to be a long hot summer.
 

Midnightrider

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It has occurred to me that you really don't understand what the prosecution is trying to prove. The syg has nothing to do really with either of them. The key to the prosecutions case is that Zimmerman acted with depraved heart. That is the only way they could win. In order for them to do that, they have to disprove that Zimmerman was defending himself. If Zimmerman believes his life is in jeopardy, then he may act with deadly force.

I think most reasonable people would say that a person who is on the ground, getting hit from above and there is a gun brought into the scenario deadly force is justified.
I think you have been distracted by their tactic, just like the defense. I think the prosecutions end goal all along has been a manslaughter conviction. While this may have been murder 2, I doubt the prosecution really thought they could prove that in court. The murder 2 charge will hinge on the jury's interpretation of zimmermans calls to police. If they feel he really did have ill intent based on the words he used and the actions he took, that's the case.

For manslaughter all the prosecution has to do is prove this wasn't self defense.
A reasonable person would feel threatened by someone following them. This would be heightened in an area that was "plagued with crime" as Zimmerman described. And they would be further escalated when the person who was following you in a car came towards you on foot after you had run from him. And finally, if that person who was following you reached to within inches of his firearm instead of identifying himself when asked why he was following you, a reasonable person would feel threatened. So yeah, SYG does apply for Martin it it applies to zimmerman. The jury will have to decide if Zimmerman can claim self defense after he followed Martin. That is unless the judge tells the jury that Zimmerman can or cannot during jury instruction.
 

Lurk

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I think you have been distracted by their tactic, just like the defense. I think the prosecutions end goal all along has been a manslaughter conviction. While this may have been murder 2, I doubt the prosecution really thought they could prove that in court. The murder 2 charge will hinge on the jury's interpretation of zimmermans calls to police. If they feel he really did have ill intent based on the words he used and the actions he took, that's the case.

For manslaughter all the prosecution has to do is prove this wasn't self defense.


The prosecution lost that case when they tried to badger the pathologist into saying the gun was an "intermediate" distance away from Tray Tray rather than against the chest when fired. When the pathologist refused to say that, the manslaughter case developed cancer.
 
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