In the matter of George Zimmerman

PsyOps

Pixelated
The two minutes between the end of the 311 call and the beginning of the 911 calls.
I've watched the video and he has some problems there too, even if you believe everything he says.
I’m not saying I believe everything Zimmerman or anyone else says. I’m trying to look at what everyone has stated so far and put pieces together. So far it appears Zimmerman’s account of what happened is consistent with witness accounts. There are gaps because there are periods of time where witnesses just don’t see and/or hear anything.

What problems exist in those 2 minutes for you?
 

Bay_Kat

Tropical
I’m not saying I believe everything Zimmerman or anyone else says. I’m trying to look at what everyone has stated so far and put pieces together. So far it appears Zimmerman’s account of what happened is consistent with witness accounts. There are gaps because there are periods of time where witnesses just don’t see and/or hear anything.

What problems exist in those 2 minutes for you?
Well, after listening to that statement and seeing the pics of the body, I'm confused. Zimmerman said he held Martin's arms out to restrain him, but the pics of the body show him laying face down and his arms are under him.
 

Midnightrider

Well-Known Member
Well, after listening to that statement and seeing the pics of the body, I'm confused. Zimmerman said he held Martin's arms out to restrain him, but the pics of the body show him laying face down and his arms are under him.
There is that. His story about where he was when also doesn't line up with the time line. Zimmerman said on the recorded interview that he was at the far side looking for the address while still on the phone with dispatch. Once he hung up he had 2 minutes to travel about 100-150 feet to where the final incident occurred. That's a long time to not have made it back to his car.
 

Bay_Kat

Tropical
There is that. His story about where he was when also doesn't line up with the time line. Zimmerman said on the recorded interview that he was at the far side looking for the address while still on the phone with dispatch. Once he hung up he had 2 minutes to travel about 100-150 feet to where the final incident occurred. That's a long time to not have made it back to his car.
I'm just putting myself in the place of a juror and I'm also wondering if Martin was strong enough to keep Zimmerman restrained on the ground and was slamming his head repeatedly and as hard as Zimmerman says, I would think Zimmerman's brains would be bashed out or at least he would have been knocked out. The jury is paying attention to all of this I am sure, so it's going to be interesting if it doesn't get tossed out first.
 

Midnightrider

Well-Known Member
There is that. His story about where he was when also doesn't line up with the time line. Zimmerman said on the recorded interview that he was at the far side looking for the address while still on the phone with dispatch. Once he hung up he had 2 minutes to travel about 100-150 feet to where the final incident occurred. That's a long time to not have made it back to his car.
Just watched the 'day after video' again when it was played in court. It only took Zimmerman 15 seconds to walk to the T even while conversing with police and walking very slow.
Like I said, that's going to be a problem for his story.
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
Well, after listening to that statement and seeing the pics of the body, I'm confused. Zimmerman said he held Martin's arms out to restrain him, but the pics of the body show him laying face down and his arms are under him.
The only thing I can think of was after Zimmerman shot him, he got Martin off of him and had Martin on his stomach with his arms stretched out to make sure Martin wasn't armed. He stated this in the video and Good validated this in his testimony. Then after Zimmerman got off of Martin, Martin was still alive and his wound hurt so he moved his arms to his chest. I think that would be a natural thing to do. But I don't think anyone really knows how his arms got under him after Zimmerman said he had his arms stretched out.
 

Bay_Kat

Tropical
The only thing I can think of was after Zimmerman shot him, he got Martin off of him and had Martin on his stomach with his arms stretched out to make sure Martin wasn't armed. He stated this in the video and Good validated this in his testimony. Then after Zimmerman got off of Martin, Martin was still alive and his wound hurt so he moved his arms to his chest. I think that would be a natural thing to do. But I don't think anyone really knows how his arms got under him after Zimmerman said he had his arms stretched out.
I thought that too, but I also heard someone say the bullet was through his heart, so I'm thinking he was dead right away.
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
There is that. His story about where he was when also doesn't line up with the time line. Zimmerman said on the recorded interview that he was at the far side looking for the address while still on the phone with dispatch. Once he hung up he had 2 minutes to travel about 100-150 feet to where the final incident occurred. That's a long time to not have made it back to his car.
I think you're expecting too much for someone, under this kind of stress, to remember every detail to the 'T' exactly the same every time he tells it.

The problem the prosecution has is John Wood. The prosecution was hinging a lot on Zimmerman being the one on top and the aggressor, and Martin being the one yelling for help. Good substantiated that it was Martin on top and Zimmerman yelling for help. Even if Zimmerman’s timeline is off or not consistent, it still looks like Martin walked all the down to the house he was staying, then came back and met up with Zimmerman and sucker punched him.

So now that we know the prosecution has nothing on Zimmerman being the aggressor, the only thing they have left is to prove whether Zimmerman was justified in shooting Martin. This could get reduced down to manslaughter. But it’s still not going well for the prosecution.
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
I thought that too, but I also heard someone say the bullet was through his heart, so I'm thinking he was dead right away.
I don't know if that's been establsihed.

If he was already dead then Zimmerman put his arms there. :shrug:

If he did, why would that matter, except that Zimmerman didn't mention it.
 
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Homeland

New Member
I think you're expecting too much for someone, under this kind of stress, to remember every detail to the 'T' exactly the same every time he tells it.

The problem the prosecution has is John Wood. The prosecution was hinging a lot on Zimmerman being the one on top and the aggressor, and Martin being the one yelling for help. Good substantiated that it was Martin on top and Zimmerman yelling for help. Even if Zimmerman’s timeline is off or not consistent, it still looks like Martin walked all the down to the house he was staying, then came back and met up with Zimmerman and sucker punched him.

So now that we know the prosecution has nothing on Zimmerman being the aggressor, the only thing they have left is to prove whether Zimmerman was justified in shooting Martin. This could get reduced down to manslaughter. But it’s still not going well for the prosecution.
What speaks volumes to me is the honesty of Zimmerman. He is consistent in his story and when presented with information that there may be video evidence of what happened he welcomes that information. It doesn't deter him or shake him up, but encourages him to continue to cooperate.
 

MarieB

New Member
I thought that too, but I also heard someone say the bullet was through his heart, so I'm thinking he was dead right away.
Through lung and lodged in the heart. I don't think anyone has stated for a fact that he died immediately.
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
Through lung and lodged in the heart. I don't think anyone has stated for a fact that he died immediately.
Wait, what? If the bullet went through the lung then lodged in the heart wouldn't he have had to be shot in the back?
 

Midnightrider

Well-Known Member
I think you're expecting too much for someone, under this kind of stress, to remember every detail to the 'T' exactly the same every time he tells it.

The problem the prosecution has is John Wood. The prosecution was hinging a lot on Zimmerman being the one on top and the aggressor, and Martin being the one yelling for help. Good substantiated that it was Martin on top and Zimmerman yelling for help. Even if Zimmerman’s timeline is off or not consistent, it still looks like Martin walked all the down to the house he was staying, then came back and met up with Zimmerman and sucker punched him.

So now that we know the prosecution has nothing on Zimmerman being the aggressor, the only thing they have left is to prove whether Zimmerman was justified in shooting Martin. This could get reduced down to manslaughter. But it’s still not going well for the prosecution.
They don't need him being the aggressor in that instant, he was the aggressor from the beginning. The two minutes shows he wasnt heading directly back to his truck. It might not be enough for murder 2, but in zimmermans own words he committed manslaughter. The only question is IF he can claim self defense after following and instigating a confrontation.
 

Lurk

Happy Creepy Ass Cracka
Well, after listening to that statement and seeing the pics of the body, I'm confused. Zimmerman said he held Martin's arms out to restrain him, but the pics of the body show him laying face down and his arms are under him.
Zimmerman also said that Martin was making noises after he got off him. It is entirely possible Martin drew his hands in to comfort his GSW as he died. Nothing Zimmerman said is inconsistent.
 

Lurk

Happy Creepy Ass Cracka
There is that. His story about where he was when also doesn't line up with the time line. Zimmerman said on the recorded interview that he was at the far side looking for the address while still on the phone with dispatch. Once he hung up he had 2 minutes to travel about 100-150 feet to where the final incident occurred. That's a long time to not have made it back to his car.
According to the evidence presented today by the prosecution, Zimmerman had over 300 feet to cover in that two minutes you seem to obsess on. More than a football field, bud. Over 300 feet. He wasn't running either.
 

Midnightrider

Well-Known Member
According to the evidence presented today by the prosecution, Zimmerman had over 300 feet to cover in that two minutes you seem to obsess on. More than a football field, bud. Over 300 feet. He wasn't running either.
That's not what serino or the map say. He only needed to cover about 80-100 feet to be past the T. Even so, in the recreation video they cover the entire distance in about a minute if you take out the time they stop to talk
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
They don't need him being the aggressor in that instant, he was the aggressor from the beginning. The two minutes shows he wasnt heading directly back to his truck. It might not be enough for murder 2, but in zimmermans own words he committed manslaughter. The only question is IF he can claim self defense after following and instigating a confrontation.
Zimmerman said he committed manslaughter? I think you have some facts wrong. Zimmerman was doing what he thought he should, which was keeping an eye on his neighborhood. He saw someone suspicious and followed him. He called the non-emergency number and reported it. When the dispatcher asked him if he was following the person Zimmerman said yes. The dispatcher told him ‘I don’t think you should do that’. Zimmerman stopped following him. In his video, Zimmerman showed where he broke off following Martin and continued down the sidewalk to the end to get the name of the street the dispatcher asked for. Then he said he was headed back to his truck and at the top of the ‘T’ in the sidewalks Zimmerman states Martin confronted him.

Can you tell me where in this makes Zimmerman the aggressor? What evidence do you have that shows Zimmerman was the aggressor? Following someone because they are in YOUR neighborhood and the look suspicious does not make you an aggressor. There is no law against it, and you have a right and a duty to do it.
 
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