In the matter of George Zimmerman

[Lurk]

That's not what serino or the map say. He only needed to cover about 80-100 feet to be past the T. Even so, in the recreation video they cover the entire distance in about a minute if you take out the time they stop to talk

The map showed the distance from the Green unit to the place Martin attacked Zimmerman was 300 feet. Her unit was not at the end of the long dog walk (Zimmerman walked to the street at the end of the dog walk) which means Zimmerman was over 300 feet from the 'T' where Martin accosted and sucker punched him.

 

[Midnightrider]

Zimmerman said he committed manslaughter? I think you have some facts wrong. Zimmerman was doing what he thought he should, which was keeping an eye on his neighborhood. He saw someone suspicious and followed him. He called the non-emergency number and reported it. When the dispatcher asked him if he was following the person Zimmerman said yes. The dispatcher told him ‘I don’t think you should do that’. Zimmerman stopped following him. In his video, Zimmerman showed where he broke off following Martin and continued down the sidewalk to the end to get the name of the street the dispatcher asked for. Then he said he was headed back to his truck and at the top of the ‘T’ in the sidewalks Zimmerman states Martin confronted him.

Can you tell me where in this makes Zimmerman the aggressor? What evidence do you have that shows Zimmerman was the aggressor? Following someone because they are in YOUR neighborhood and the look suspicious does not make you an aggressor. There is no law against it, and you have a right and a duty to do it.

You need to look up the definition of manslaughter. The only question on that charge is if Zimmerman can claim self defense after initiating the conflict.

Neighborhood watch is not illegal. Following someone is questionable. If you don't believe me pick someone to follow the next time you are at the mall a d see how long it takes for a confrontation or 911 call. A random guy following you is the aggressor.

 

[PsyOps]

You need to look up the definition of manslaughter. The only question on that charge is if Zimmerman can claim self defense after initiating the conflict.

Neighborhood watch is not illegal. Following someone is questionable. If you don't believe me pick someone to follow the next time you are at the mall a d see how long it takes for a confrontation or 911 call. A random guy following you is the aggressor.

I thought I have made it clear that I am not taking sides and have no idea what he’s guilty of. The jury could very well find him on manslaughter. You, without having this go to the end, have decided you already know that he’s guilty. I don’t know how you conclude this. You also said you know Zimmerman was the aggressor. I don’t know how you conclude this. You are saying Zimmerman initiated the conflict. Following someone is not initiating a conflict. We’re talking about Zimmerman’s neighborhood. If someone is in my neighborhood I think is acting suspiciously I am going to follow them; and I stated earlier in this thread that I might even be inclined to let the person know I’m following them. Zimmerman following Martin does not give Martin the right to sucker punch him (if that is how things went down). So, we’re not talking about a mall or any other public place that I don’t live.

For whatever reason you have made your mind up that Zimmerman committed a crime here. And even if he is found not guilty I’m sure that still wont convince you. I am interested in seeing this to the end and let the court decide. But as of now, the facts – as we know them – seem to point at Martin attacking Zimmerman; it appears that Zimmerman was being beat badly enough that he was justified in self-defense to shoot Martin. If you were being beaten on the ground and had a gun wouldn’t you?

 

[MarieB]

According to Florida law, even one considered to be an "aggressor" can later be seen as "innocent"




The questioning today did touch upon wheter his actions made him an aggressor

 

[PsyOps]

According to Florida law, even one considered to be an "aggressor" can later be seen as "innocent"




The questioning today did touch upon wheter his actions made him an aggressor

I think I remember hearing the police that questioned him said he did the right thing.

 

[MarieB]

I think I remember hearing the police that questioned him said he did the right thing.

I'm not sure that there was that blanket statement. I'd have to look again

 

[DipStick]

Just curious.... where did you get this information since it hasn't been proven...

He said in that video they showed in court today that Martin attacked him when he was getting back in his truck.

Now, in my world, you have to get out of your vehicle in order to get back in your vehicle.

 

[DipStick]

Seems like so many have already taken sides, including the judge. I can't. On one hand there is Martin, who was (after everything came out) a trouble making punk.

Oh, wow! A teenage boy who had gotten in some fights at school and smoked marijuana. Like just about every boy who has ever been a teenager.

But I know that Conservatives are all perfect people who have never done anything wrong in their life so I'll let them all sit back and tell me that they never got in a fight in school and/or never smoked weed. Of course, most of them will be lying and I probably can't prove them wrong because we can all be perfect with our internet persona. BTW ladies, I look like Henry Cavill.

 

[DipStick]

Seems like so many have already taken sides, including the judge. I can't. On one hand there is Martin, who was (after everything came out) a trouble making punk. On the other hand there is Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch, cop wannabe. I was a call taker for a police department for 6 years and dealt with Zimmerman's every day of the week. They were gung-ho, gotta go get the bad guy. I didn't like these people, they seemed to be looking for trouble too. I had one guy once tell me "I'm not even going to call the police anymore, I'll just take care of it myself". Turned out to be just stupid stuff he was calling about and he was just an extremely nosy neighbor. I'm not taking sides in this, I just can't. But I do like pointing out things each side are saying.

Both of them made mistakes. Martin beat the #### out of Zimmerman. But Zimmerman got out of his truck when pursuing someone he believed was a dangerous criminal. Zimmerman doesn't deserve to go to jail for the mistake he made .... but Trayvon Martin didn't deserve to die for the mistake he made.

 

[DipStick]

Where does it say that if I ask you what you are doing in my neighborhood when I have never seen you in my neighborhood before you have the right to punch me?

Everybody who has been called for the prosecution who has testified about knowing Zimmerman has testified that he is a calm polite person. Where are you getting that this was going to happen eventually? His behavior leading up to this event doesn't predict that.

He doesn't have to be raging mad all the time to be a wannabe cop with an anger management problem. And why would he get mad in questioning when they didn't actually pressure his story at all. That's why this story is news in the first place. The police took Zimmerman's side the second he preached self-defense because all they saw was a light-skinned male with a gun and another dead ######.

 

[DipStick]

That's what I remembered.

As for carrying...if he had not been carrying, would he maybe be dead now, from severe head trauma?

Eff that. When I go check out somebody acting suspiciously in my immediate neighborhood or on my property, I'm not going to disarm myself before I do it. That would be nuts.

That said, I understand why the NW guidelines would recommend not carrying.

If there was someone acting suspiciously in your neighborhood while you were on your way home from the hardware store, what would you do? Call the police, report the suspicious activity and then go home? Maybe follow him to see where he's going? Or would you grab your gun, get out of your car and go after him?

Nobody in their right mind would've done what Zimmerman did - gun or no gun.

 

[DipStick]

Did Zimmerman instigate an altercation with Martin and then use deadly force to defend himself? That is the question. You cannot instigate and then claim self defense under the SYG law.

Yes you can. Zimmerman did feel he was in a life threatening situation and since Martin was on top of him beating the #### out of him, he couldn't reasonably flee the life threatening situation.

 

[DipStick]

According to the evidence presented today by the prosecution, Zimmerman had over 300 feet to cover in that two minutes you seem to obsess on. More than a football field, bud. Over 300 feet. He wasn't running either.

It doesn't take two minutes to cover the length of a football field either.

 

[DipStick]

But he was such a sweet kid....


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That's a whole lot of speculation on a biased, far-right blog "supported" really only by a biased, far-right blog posting even more speculation. If there was even an ounce of validity to this, FOX News would've had a field day with it.

 

[DipStick]

Not taking sides, just making some observations. I'm not entirely sure who or what to believe in this case. But everyone on this forum obviously knows George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin personally and were obviously on location when all this went down so I'll trust all of your expert, first-person accounts of the events of that evening.

Anyways, I've got to get some sleep. Y'all have fun down there in Orlando, Florida.

 

[itsrequired]

Neighborhood watch is not illegal. Following someone is questionable. If you don't believe me pick someone to follow the next time you are at the mall a d see how long it takes for a confrontation or 911 call. A random guy following you is the aggressor.

Huh? How is following someone questionable? So everytime a cop follows someone it's questionable? Everytime a private eye follows someone it's questionable? Striking someone is illegal. There is no defense for striking some "creepy cracker" because they are following you. Then when you bang the creepy cracker's head into the ground, that is also indefensible. I think you did hit it on the head with your next sentence though, if Martin didn't like what Zimmerman was doing, why not call the police.

I think the actions of both people spell out who was the law abiding citizen and who was not.

I, like you have made up my mind. The jury should find Zimmerman not guilty.

 

[itsrequired]

Oh, wow! A teenage boy who had gotten in some fights at school and smoked marijuana. Like just about every boy who has ever been a teenager.

But I know that Conservatives are all perfect people who have never done anything wrong in their life so I'll let them all sit back and tell me that they never got in a fight in school and/or never smoked weed. Of course, most of them will be lying and I probably can't prove them wrong because we can all be perfect with our internet persona. BTW ladies, I look like Henry Cavill.

Who cares if Martin was a punk or not. He didn't deserve to die unless he picks a fight with someone who can kill him. Then it's on him, not the other guy. I'm not condeming Martin to death for his previous actions, but it was his actions on the night he assaulted George Zimmerman which gave him the punishment he deserved. Getting into a fight is one thing, beating a mans head into the ground is another.

 

[itsrequired]

He doesn't have to be raging mad all the time to be a wannabe cop with an anger management problem. And why would he get mad in questioning when they didn't actually pressure his story at all. That's why this story is news in the first place. The police took Zimmerman's side the second he preached self-defense because all they saw was a light-skinned male with a gun and another dead ######.

or.......they saw a beat up home owner who was looking out for his neighborhood and some person brought fists to a gunfight.

 

[Midnightrider]

I thought I have made it clear that I am not taking sides and have no idea what he’s guilty of. The jury could very well find him on manslaughter. You, without having this go to the end, have decided you already know that he’s guilty. I don’t know how you conclude this. You also said you know Zimmerman was the aggressor. I don’t know how you conclude this. You are saying Zimmerman initiated the conflict. Following someone is not initiating a conflict. We’re talking about Zimmerman’s neighborhood. If someone is in my neighborhood I think is acting suspiciously I am going to follow them; and I stated earlier in this thread that I might even be inclined to let the person know I’m following them. Zimmerman following Martin does not give Martin the right to sucker punch him (if that is how things went down). So, we’re not talking about a mall or any other public place that I don’t live.

For whatever reason you have made your mind up that Zimmerman committed a crime here. And even if he is found not guilty I’m sure that still wont convince you. I am interested in seeing this to the end and let the court decide. But as of now, the facts – as we know them – seem to point at Martin attacking Zimmerman; it appears that Zimmerman was being beat badly enough that he was justified in self-defense to shoot Martin. If you were being beaten on the ground and had a gun wouldn’t you?

I have t made up my mind as to his guilt. I am only recognizing that the events as he describes them meet the Florida definition of manslaughter. The ONLY QUESTION is if Florida law allows Zimmerman to claim self defense after he initiated the conflict.

BTW, why does it matter what public place the following happens? Martin was a guest in that community and had every right to be there. A person following you, a person not in uniform or an official vehicle, IS CREEPY. It is threatening. Unless Zimmerman says something to defuse the situation Martin is given the impression that a creepy guy is following him for no reason. And that's how z initiated the conflict.

If you don't see that fine. Like I said, pick someone and follow them around and see how long it takes for a confrontation or 911 call.

 

[Lurk]

Dis be de game Trayvone be playin' wid Zimmerman

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