Iran: Israel nukes obstacle to peace

[Railroad]

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Iran: Israel nukes obstacle to peace

Iran's Defense Minister Mustafa Mohammad Najjar says only disarming of Israel from nuclear weapons will bring 'sustainable peace' in Middle East
Dudi Cohen and Agencies

Iranian Defense Minister Mustafa Mohammad Najjar said Monday that the best way to obtain security and a sustainable peace in the Middle East is the disarmament of Israel of nuclear weapons, Iranian news agency Mehr reported.

Regarding the harming of civilians in populated areas in Lebanon, the Iranian defense minister said that the "the end of Zionist war criminals
and their supporters will be worse than Hitler and Saddam."

 

[ylexot]

He added, "because Israel's nukes are the only thing keeping the Arab world from invading them. Israel must be disarmed!"

 

[Pete]

What better way to ensure your campaign of terrorism can continue than to ask for what you know will never happen.

Iran, Syria, Lebanon, even Saudi Arabia and Egypt all want the constant pressure on Israel because they hate them.

 

[vraiblonde]

Iran's Defense Minister Mustafa Mohammad Najjar says only disarming of Israel from nuclear weapons will bring 'sustainable peace' in Middle East

I'm sure he feels that way. He probably also thinks that all the Middle East's problems would be solved if Israel would simply give up and agree to commit mass suicide so that they're aren't around to offend Muslims.

 

[Railroad]

!! Just had an idea!! We take all of Israel's nukes and give them to Iran!! THAT'LL bring peace to the region!!!

 

[Pete]

!! Just had an idea!! We take all of Israel's nukes and give them to Iran!! THAT'LL bring peace to the region!!!

I am sure Israel would love to deliver some of them and some to Syria as well.

 

[ylexot]

BTW, when I first read the title, I was thinking that "nukes" was being used as a verb and they nuked Hezbollah (or one of the many other obstacles to peace)

 

[Railroad]

I am sure Israel would love to deliver some of them and some to Syria as well.

Yup!

 

[Railroad]

BTW, when I first read the title, I was thinking that "nukes" was being used as a verb and they nuked Hezbollah (or one of the many other obstacles to peace)

GREAT IDEA!

 

[kwillia]

I recently watched a show on the History Channel regarding weapons of mass distruction and I was stunned to learn the details of "fire bombing"...

 

[Pete]

I recently watched a show on the History Channel regarding weapons of mass distruction and I was stunned to learn the details of "fire bombing"...

You thought packets of Tobasco fell from the sky?

 

[kwillia]

You thought packets of Tobasco fell from the sky?

I knew what fire bombing was... I just didn't realize how widespread the use was by American troops during various wars (I was especially stunned to see the widespread use during our war with Japan)... and I didn't realize that the US reserved there right to use fire bombing whenever they want to simply be refusing to acknowledge that tidbit when the UN wanted the US to promise to never do it again...

 

[Pete]

I knew what fire bombing was... I just didn't realize how widespread the use was by American troops during various wars (I was especially stunned to see the widespread use during our war with Japan)... and I didn't realize that the US reserved there right to use fire bombing whenever they want to simply be refusing to acknowledge that tidbit when the UN wanted the US to promise to never do it again...

We used incindiaries all the time. Not just in Japan, look at Germany. Old school warfare had 1 rule; beat on your opponent ferociously until they a.) Lose the will to continue. b.) Cannot continue.

This new bullchit of "measured responses" and "limited engagements" does nothing but fill up VA hospitals and cemeteries.

Our leaders back then realized this and thus would not sign away our right to pursue war in any manner we see fit to secure a favorable outcome. They told the UN to go suck an egg. I think we also refused to sign the land mine ban too.

 

[kwillia]

We used incindiaries all the time. Not just in Japan, look at Germany. Old school warfare had 1 rule; beat on your opponent ferociously until they a.) Lose the will to continue. b.) Cannot continue.

This new bullchit of "measured responses" and "limited engagements" does nothing but fill up VA hospitals and cemeteries.

They were talking about "collateral damage" numbers in the tens and hundreds of thousands for EACH attack... that was mind blowing when all I had to do was click it to any news story and hear the outrage that innocent civilian Allah Bob was accidently killed for standing too close to a terrorist hangout.

 

[Pete]

They were talking about "collateral damage" numbers in the tens and hundreds of thousands for EACH attack... that was mind blowing when all I had to do was click it to any news story and hear the outrage that innocent civilian Allah Bob was accidently killed for standing too close to a terrorist hangout.

Tens/hundreds of thousands died in WWII as what is called now "collateral damage". In the 1940's they were not viewed as "collateral". A plant that produced tires for trucks for the German Army was targeted for destruction, as was the town next it because those people worked in the plant that made the tires that went to the German Army. The bakeries in that town fed the people who worked in the factory that made the tires for the trucks in the German Army. The fields that grew grain that was turned into flour for the bakeries that fed the people who worked in the plant that made tires for trucks in the German Army.

Compare that to now in Lebanon. You bomb the rocket launch site, the houses where the people who man it, the people who support it be concealing it, the businesses that feed the ...........you get the idea.

It will never end. Israel does not have the firepower to beat the Muslims to the point they give up, and we will not supply them enough to beat the muslims to the point they cannot continue.

 

[Railroad]

They were talking about "collateral damage" numbers in the tens and hundreds of thousands for EACH attack... that was mind blowing when all I had to do was click it to any news story and hear the outrage that innocent civilian Allah Bob was accidently killed for standing too close to a terrorist hangout.

I think it's more like, the terrorists moved their hangout to where Allah Bob hangs out so they could take advantage of his innocent presence, knowing that there would be outrage if he was killed.

I think the Hezbollah situation is like cancer - sometimes cancer gets so interwoven with normal body tissue that in order to get the cancer out, you have to remove some good tissue as well. When an organ of the body is riddled with cancer, you take out the whole organ.

Unfortunately, right now, Israel is reacting to political pressure and so cutting out little bits of cancerous tissue with limited collateral damage, while the cancer is continuing to spread and infect the surrounding tissue.

My liberal Democrat neighbor, who is a Viet Nam vet, and I agree on one thing: we learned in Viet Nam that using limited engagements yields poor results and gets a lot of people unnecessarily killed. While he and I disagree on how the U.S. got to Iraq and whether or not Israel brought this on themselves, we both agree that if you're going to do a military action, DON'T HOLD BACK. Get in, get it done thoroughly with maximum force and minimum time elapsed (and minimum expense).

Civilian casualties are a fact of war. They are very distressing and a lot of good people die because they're within the kill radius of the weapon used on the bad guys. That's just how it is in war. The less time wasted in limited engagements, the fewer opportunities for additional casualties.

 

[vraiblonde]

Excellent post, Railroad

 

[Bustem' Down]

The difference between WWII and now is the media. I'm sure there would have been plenty of outrage about killed civilians then but there were no "embedded" reporters back then and there shouldn't be now. Part of any well made war plan is propaganda, both towards your enemy and towards yourself.

 

[Pete]

Tens/hundreds of thousands died in WWII as what is called now "collateral damage". In the 1940's they were not viewed as "collateral". A plant that produced tires for trucks for the German Army was targeted for destruction, as was the town next it because those people worked in the plant that made the tires that went to the German Army. The bakeries in that town fed the people who worked in the factory that made the tires for the trucks in the German Army. The fields that grew grain that was turned into flour for the bakeries that fed the people who worked in the plant that made tires for trucks in the German Army.

Compare that to now in Lebanon. You bomb the rocket launch site, the houses where the people who man it, the people who support it be concealing it, the businesses that feed the ...........you get the idea.

It will never end. Israel does not have the firepower to beat the Muslims to the point they give up, and we will not supply them enough to beat the muslims to the point they cannot continue.

Do you think Truman considered "collateral damage"? The ugly face of winning a war is 200,000 dead from 2 bombs. Back then we did what we HAD to do, seems we have forgotten.

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