How many times have the Iranians thought we were coming to liberate them and we never showed?
Trump better mean it and not just be talking.
Trump better mean it and not just be talking.
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Well that’s the only way they’re going to overthrow the regime. If WE do it, it won’t matter how popular it is
On that side of the world we’d have them facing us by the end of the year. Back in WW2 they dropped thousands of Liberator guns, 2 shot 45’s. If you wanted better you went out and shot the guy with the better guns.
Because they need support that they've been promised and never got.
If we do that it will be just like when we drop them food and medical supplies - the warlords confiscate it.
Been thinking on this for a while. Who did Trump meet with a few days ago? A clue - it was the same guy who was able to take out all of Iran's military leadership not that long ago. Any doubt they don't have intell on all the civilian leaders.
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I don't know - who? The oil guys are the only ones I know about.
Netanyahu.
Did someone supply them back in ‘79?
Didn't Carter throw the Iranians under the bus and stopped them from protecting the Shah, which made it easy for Khomeni to take over?
See, that's a great example of "meet the new boss, same as the old boss". Cuba, too. Which is why we need to keep tabs on Trump and make sure we don't get fooled again.
PeoplesElbow
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What in the George Bush is going on?
? I remember that the Shah was deathly ill and while hated , was brought here - the Ayatollah was in exile in France and that a student revolution crying for Islamic rule overthrew the nation.
That’s just memory, subject to error.
PeoplesElbow
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The US, UK, and BP government of Iran overthrown in the early 1950s to avoid communist influence on the Iranian oil industry, installed the Shah.
Nation building bit us in the ass basically.
Nation building bit us in the ass basically.
Got this from Grok;
The 1979 Iranian Revolution (also known as the Islamic Revolution) was a pivotal popular uprising that overthrew Iran's monarchy and established an Islamic Republic. It unfolded primarily from late 1978 to early 1979, ending over 2,500 years of monarchical rule in Iran.
Background and Causes
The revolution stemmed from deep discontent with Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, who had ruled since 1941. His regime was seen as:
- Autocratic and repressive (using the SAVAK secret police to suppress dissent).
- Excessively Westernized and secular (through reforms like the "White Revolution" in the 1960s, which included land redistribution, women's rights, and modernization that alienated traditional religious leaders and rural populations).
- Corrupt and economically unequal (despite oil wealth, inflation, unemployment, and rapid urbanization created hardship for many).
- Overly influenced by foreign powers (especially the US and UK, highlighted by the 1953 CIA-backed coup that restored the Shah after ousting Prime Minister Mohammad Mossadegh).
Opposition united diverse groups: religious conservatives, leftists, nationalists, intellectuals, students, bazaar merchants, and the working class. Shia Islam provided a unifying cultural and ideological force.
A key intellectual influence was the concept of Gharbzadegi ("Westoxication") and ideas from figures like Ali Shariati, who blended Islamic thought with anti-imperialist themes.
Key Figure: Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini
The revolution's central leader was Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, a prominent Shia cleric exiled in 1964 for opposing the Shah's reforms. From exile (first in Iraq, then France in 1978), Khomeini:
- Delivered fiery speeches via smuggled cassette tapes.
- Called for the Shah's overthrow and an Islamic government based on velayat-e faqih (guardianship of the Islamic jurist), where religious scholars hold ultimate authority.
- Unified disparate opposition factions by focusing on shared grievances while keeping his full vision of clerical rule somewhat vague during the uprising.
Major Events and Timeline
- January 1978: Protests erupt after a government article insults Khomeini; demonstrations spread and are met with violence.
- September 8, 1978 (Black Friday): Security forces kill dozens (possibly hundreds) of protesters in Tehran under martial law.
- Fall 1978: Massive strikes (especially in the oil sector) paralyze the economy; millions protest nationwide.
- December 1978: Huge demonstrations during Ashura (a major Shia mourning period) demand the Shah's removal.
- January 16, 1979: The Shah flees Iran (officially for "vacation" and medical treatment), never to return.
- February 1, 1979: Khomeini returns triumphantly to Tehran, greeted by millions.
- February 11, 1979: The monarchy collapses as the military declares neutrality; revolutionaries seize power.
- March–April 1979: Referendum approves an Islamic Republic (with ~98% support in official results).
- November 1979: Students seize the US embassy in Tehran, holding 52 Americans hostage for 444 days (sparked by the US admitting the Shah for medical care).
- December 1979: New constitution approved, naming Khomeini as Supreme Leader (rahbar) with ultimate authority.
Death toll estimates during the revolution (1978–1979) range from several hundred to around 2,800, with historians generally agreeing on the lower end despite some regime claims of much higher figures.
Aftermath and Consequences
The revolution replaced a pro-Western monarchy with a theocratic republic dominated by Shia clerics. Khomeini consolidated power, sidelining secular, leftist, and moderate allies through purges, executions, and the establishment of institutions like the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC).
Longer-term impacts included:
- Sharp break from Western alliances (especially the US).
- Export of revolutionary Shia Islamism (influencing groups in Lebanon, Iraq, and beyond).
- The 1980–1988 Iran-Iraq War (triggered by Iraq's invasion, partly fearing revolutionary spread).
- Ongoing tensions over Iran's nuclear program, human rights, and regional role.
- Domestic shifts toward conservative social policies, mandatory hijab, and suppression of dissent.
The revolution remains one of the 20th century's most significant events, demonstrating how religious ideology could mobilize mass opposition against a seemingly entrenched regime and reshape geopolitics in the Middle East. Its legacy continues to influence Iran's politics and global relations today.
wasn't there some sort of islamic / marxist cooperation going on before the take over
Yes, there was significant cooperation between Islamic revolutionaries and Marxist/leftist groups in the lead-up to the 1979 Iranian Revolution, forming a broad anti-Shah coalition despite their ideological differences. This alliance was tactical and temporary, driven by shared opposition to the monarchy's repression, corruption, and Western-backed policies. Here's a breakdown:
Nature of the Cooperation
- Shared Goals: Both sides aimed to overthrow Shah Mohammad Reza Pahlavi. Islamists, inspired by Ayatollah Khomeini, emphasized religious revival and anti-imperialism, while Marxists (including communists and socialists) focused on class struggle, economic inequality, and anti-capitalism. They united around themes like ending SAVAK torture, land reform, and reducing U.S. influence.
- Key Groups Involved:
- Islamist-Marxist Hybrids: The Mojahedin-e Khalq (MEK, or People's Mujahedin of Iran) was a prominent example. Founded in 1965, it blended Shia Islamic ideology with Marxist-Leninist principles, drawing from thinkers like Ali Shariati (who fused Islam with revolutionary socialism). The MEK participated in armed struggle against the Shah and coordinated with Khomeini's followers during protests.
- Leftist Organizations: The Tudeh Party (Iran's communist party, aligned with the Soviet Union) and other groups like the Fedayeen-e Khalq (a Marxist guerrilla organization) joined strikes, demonstrations, and underground networks. They distributed propaganda, organized workers, and even provided logistical support to Islamist-led rallies.
- Intellectual Bridges: Figures like Jalal Al-e Ahmad (author of Gharbzadegi, critiquing Western cultural imperialism) and Ali Shariati influenced both camps, portraying Islam as a tool for liberation akin to Marxist anti-colonialism.
- Practical Collaboration: During 1978–1979, this played out in massive street protests, oil worker strikes (which crippled the economy), and joint calls for the Shah's exile. Khomeini, from exile, avoided alienating leftists by downplaying his vision of strict clerical rule, instead using inclusive rhetoric about justice and freedom. Leftists amplified Khomeini's messages through their networks, and some even viewed him as a transitional figure toward a socialist state.
Why It Happened
The Shah's regime had alienated a wide spectrum of society: religious conservatives opposed secular reforms, while leftists decried economic disparities and authoritarianism. External factors, like the 1973 oil boom's uneven benefits and U.S. support for the Shah, fueled resentment. This created a "negative coalition"—united by what they opposed rather than a shared vision for the future.
Post-Takeover Breakdown
The alliance fractured quickly after the February 1979 takeover. Khomeini and his Islamist supporters consolidated power, viewing Marxists as atheists and threats to theocratic rule. By 1980–1981, purges began: The Tudeh Party was banned in 1983, MEK leaders were executed or exiled, and thousands of leftists were imprisoned or killed during the "revolutionary terror" phase. The Iran-Iraq War (1980–1988) further justified suppressing dissent. This shift highlighted the ideological incompatibility—Islamists prioritized religious governance, while Marxists sought secular socialism.
Historians often describe this as a classic case of revolutionary alliances crumbling once the common enemy is defeated, similar to patterns in other uprisings like the Russian Revolution. If you're interested in specific figures, events, or sources, let me know for more details.
communists basically were useful idiots once Islamist's took over Marxist went up against the wall
Leftists in this country would be wise TO PAY ATTENTION, when supporting Hamas or Hezbollah this will be a repeat of history
Queers for Palestinians will find themselves butt ****ed and thrown off of buildings or hung or just executed and thrown in a river
Iranian Regime Declares Israel, U.S. Military “Legitimate Targets” if Trump Orders Strike
While the Islamic Guard (IRGC) and foreign fighters massacre peaceful protesters in Iran, the Khamenei regime has threatened to attack Israel and the U.S. military and commercial shipping in the region if President Donald Trump orders a strike on Iranian targets. On Sunday, Iran’s parliamentary speaker declared that the U.S. and Israel would be “legitimate targets” in case of an American strike.
Earlier this week, President Donald Trump cautioned that if the regime forces “start killing people,” the U.S. will “hit them really hard.”
Iran has so far decided to ignore President Trump’s warnings and has toughened its stance. The regime has unleashed foreign fighters, such as members of the Lebanese terrorist group Hezbollah, to crush the popular uprising, according to media reports. Defying U.S. warnings, the Iranian military is also gearing up for the crackdown. “Iran’s army vowed Saturday to join the crackdown,” The Wall Street Journal reported.