Iraq/Al-Quaida Link Questioned
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Larry Gude
Strung Out
So, what is it...
...that you wish?
Impeachment?
Perhaps leave Iraq and return Saddam to power along with a written apology and pay for everything we broke?
A new national criminal standard along the lines of whatever remedy you seek here that would always hold politicians to the utmost standard when they perhaps fudge things, facts or no?
Overturn the election of 2000 and make Al Gore President so he can go invent some more stuff?
What length of absurdity shall we go to before you people can get over this and admit the President did the right thing, is doing the right thing and will likely continue to do the right thing no matter how difficult you wish to try and make it?
...that you wish?
Impeachment?
Perhaps leave Iraq and return Saddam to power along with a written apology and pay for everything we broke?
A new national criminal standard along the lines of whatever remedy you seek here that would always hold politicians to the utmost standard when they perhaps fudge things, facts or no?
Overturn the election of 2000 and make Al Gore President so he can go invent some more stuff?
What length of absurdity shall we go to before you people can get over this and admit the President did the right thing, is doing the right thing and will likely continue to do the right thing no matter how difficult you wish to try and make it?
jlabsher
Sorry about that chief.
Re: So, what is it...
The "you people" thing is a little typical isn't it? I just posted an article from an independent souce (neither lib nor conservative) that showed that even within the Whitehouse there were and are questions about the validity of arguments used by the administration to justify the armed takeover of another nation. While I may agree with Tony Blair's statement from a couple weeks ago that invading Iraq was "the right thing to do" I disagree with the administrations attempts to justify it through the scare tactics of non-existant WMDs or specious, at best links between Iraq and al-Quaida.
I hesitate to use the term war because of the lack of international and internal support for the administration's actions. You, I'm certain feel otherwise.
I knew it would come down to a "you" vs. "us" argument, just didn't realize it would happen this quickly.
The "you people" thing is a little typical isn't it? I just posted an article from an independent souce (neither lib nor conservative) that showed that even within the Whitehouse there were and are questions about the validity of arguments used by the administration to justify the armed takeover of another nation. While I may agree with Tony Blair's statement from a couple weeks ago that invading Iraq was "the right thing to do" I disagree with the administrations attempts to justify it through the scare tactics of non-existant WMDs or specious, at best links between Iraq and al-Quaida.
I hesitate to use the term war because of the lack of international and internal support for the administration's actions. You, I'm certain feel otherwise.
I knew it would come down to a "you" vs. "us" argument, just didn't realize it would happen this quickly.
Re: Re: So, what is it...
Jlabsher,
What reason would there be to impeach President Bush, it was easy with Clinton as he committed perjury, what is Bush’s offense? And what crap are you spewing about the election being overturned by the SCOTUS? I sure remember it differently, wasn’t the decision that they reversed and remanded the case back to Florida because the Florida court was re-writing the law, which is beyond their legal authority?
Are you implying that all Iraqis are behind these limited guerrilla attacks? If so, you need to learn a little more about what is going on (try watching Fox, you might learn something (just for you ST)). It is a small fragment of the Ba’the party and outside instigators (aka Al Qaeda) that are doing these cowardly attacks. Have you been sleeping for the past few months?
Oh please enlighten me as to the comparison between Vietnam and Iraq, that is if you can. Alleging a connection does not make it one; I know that is a stretch for you, but how about a little factual information?
Jlabsher,
What reason would there be to impeach President Bush, it was easy with Clinton as he committed perjury, what is Bush’s offense? And what crap are you spewing about the election being overturned by the SCOTUS? I sure remember it differently, wasn’t the decision that they reversed and remanded the case back to Florida because the Florida court was re-writing the law, which is beyond their legal authority?
It has been stated that a lot of the funds obtained by restoring the oil flow from Iraq will be used for repayment of the reconstruction process along with improving life in Iraq, I don’t think it will be anything like what we laid our for rebuilding Europe or Japan (in today’s dollars) but it has always been how we do things. After we kick your butt we build you better than before.
Are you implying that all Iraqis are behind these limited guerrilla attacks? If so, you need to learn a little more about what is going on (try watching Fox, you might learn something (just for you ST)). It is a small fragment of the Ba’the party and outside instigators (aka Al Qaeda) that are doing these cowardly attacks. Have you been sleeping for the past few months?
Oh please enlighten me as to the comparison between Vietnam and Iraq, that is if you can. Alleging a connection does not make it one; I know that is a stretch for you, but how about a little factual information?
jlabsher
Sorry about that chief.
Maybe we rebuilt things better in our fathers day. I don't recall any rebuilding in Korea, Vietnam, Somalia, Haiti, Grenada, Panama, etc. As far as the cost, that liberal rag the wash post says $600 Billion http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A47537-2003Aug12?language=printer over $100 million a day just for the military now there.
As far as the "connection" btwn Iraq/Vietnam, the relationship is called quagmire, look it up.
I'm sure glad you have identified who is conducting the attacks against US servicepersons, I don't think the media or gov't has identified any specific source, there is speculation. Maybe I should watch Fox, I'm sure they have pix of the Iraqi people who are gladly waving the US flag daily instead of shooting, bombing or complaining about us like every other media outlet worldwide.
As far as Bush, I'm sorry I think that lying about cheating on your wife is less of an offense than lying to the world to send your country to war. In fact saw that cartoon in the Wash Times, a not-so-liberal rag. Unfortunately the republicans were hellbent to get rid of Clinton anyway they could, kind of like some dems vs Bush.
Is this a great country or what?
As far as the "connection" btwn Iraq/Vietnam, the relationship is called quagmire, look it up.
I'm sure glad you have identified who is conducting the attacks against US servicepersons, I don't think the media or gov't has identified any specific source, there is speculation. Maybe I should watch Fox, I'm sure they have pix of the Iraqi people who are gladly waving the US flag daily instead of shooting, bombing or complaining about us like every other media outlet worldwide.
As far as Bush, I'm sorry I think that lying about cheating on your wife is less of an offense than lying to the world to send your country to war. In fact saw that cartoon in the Wash Times, a not-so-liberal rag. Unfortunately the republicans were hellbent to get rid of Clinton anyway they could, kind of like some dems vs Bush.
Is this a great country or what?
Okay, one more time really s - l - o - w, for Clinton it was PURJURY for lying during a deposition of a legal proceeding. The topic might have been about a sexual indiscretion, but the act by Clinton is a defined crime. Wouldn’t that fall under the “high crimes and misdemeanors” clause of Article II, Section 4 of the Constitution?
Also exactly what lies have been told by Bush? Make the list or are you just digging into your bag of
? And one more item, didn't we go to war because of those items contained in PL 107-243, you know that little document providing the President with the statutory authority? What in that document are lies pushed forward by Bush? Now be careful as I will bring up the earlier public law that was authorized during the Clinton years and ask you to identify those lies there also.
Okay, explain the similarities, other than the word used by you. One was a mess for the US for over 18 years and this one has been going on for under 6 months. I am sure you can draw some really conclusive comparisons, let's see them?
Larry Gude
Strung Out
OK...
...now we're getting closer to understanding.
You have no clue about what happened in regards to Vietnam, Somalia and Nicaraugua and it seems you are not happy about what you may think happened and you are not happy about what is going on in Iraq, thus, they are comparable. Got it.
You also seem to have some sort of idea that Muslim nations have any love for us to begin with. Somalia, which you mentioned, Yemen (USS Cole), Kenya (embassy bombing, which are, by the way, US soil), Tanzania (embassy), Saudi, (tied rather closely to some event in NYC not long ago) and the DIRECT invlovement of Iraq in the first World Trade Center attack would give some people the idea that they hate us and actively try to kill us.
Did I leave out Pakistan? Afghanistan? Danny Pearl?
"To provide for the common defense". Now where did I read that? Seems to me that there is a specific person responsible for that.
That you would bring up Clinton should embarrass you. Though he chose not to do the job himself, he is four square behind the Commander in Chief and backs up the facts to boot. He says so.
BTW, Clinton actively obstructed justice, subourned purjury and lied, repeatedly, under oath. You can look it up. When W does that, lemme know.
Your views on the election of 2000 truly debase us all as you represent a large number of people who simply don't know the laws of our land and couldn't care less when told what they are. You all can vote. Don't you feel any responsibility to us facts as the basis for an argument or is this all mental jerking off, it just feels good to imagine things?
I guess the administration owes you a big thanks. The typical argument has been that the White House is full of mindless robots.
I find this fascinating. How could you possibly agree that it was the right thing to do and yet disparage every good reason to do it? Why was it a good idea if they posed no threat? Nevermind you are dismissing the facts as the UN, Clinton, Germany, Russia and France all saw them. Are you running for President to?
Alas. Once again, Clinton and all the UN goofs passed resolution to enforce restictions on Iraq, then more resolutions supporting exactly what we have done. The problems started when somebody took them seriously. Ten years just seemed to be enough time for Saddam to do as he promised if he had any intentions of doing so.
I never mentioned "us" so, you are just goofing around. The "you" is this phenomenon of defianable Dean types who hate Bush, no matter what, as a reaction from the abuse and deciet and betrayal of eight empty years of Clinton. Had Clinton done the same thing, the right thing, get rid of Hussein, Gore would be boss today and it irks you people. Sorry. It ain't my fault. Why don't you take it out on the ones who hurt you?
There is no "us" from my viewpoint. Given the empty arguments of the left, Bush is doing just fine. From MY viewpoint the entire middle East peace dream is a pipe dream. There are to many monstrous hurdles to overcome. The day there is peace in the region is the day the masses throw off the yoke their faith (opiate of the masses, yes?) seems to be imposing, overthrow their Shieks and Kings and start figuring out how to get some serious golf going on.
In the mean time, I am happy scaring the crap out of every single dip dunk wanna be in the world through the clenched fist of the United States military. Make it to expensive for them, all of them, in blood and treasure to attack us.
You and I both know, no matter our differences, that we could rule every inch of this planet if we chose to. We choose not to and we are the first nation in the history of mankind that has the power to do so and chooses not to.
We are the good guys.
...now we're getting closer to understanding.
You have no clue about what happened in regards to Vietnam, Somalia and Nicaraugua and it seems you are not happy about what you may think happened and you are not happy about what is going on in Iraq, thus, they are comparable. Got it.
You also seem to have some sort of idea that Muslim nations have any love for us to begin with. Somalia, which you mentioned, Yemen (USS Cole), Kenya (embassy bombing, which are, by the way, US soil), Tanzania (embassy), Saudi, (tied rather closely to some event in NYC not long ago) and the DIRECT invlovement of Iraq in the first World Trade Center attack would give some people the idea that they hate us and actively try to kill us.
Did I leave out Pakistan? Afghanistan? Danny Pearl?
"To provide for the common defense". Now where did I read that? Seems to me that there is a specific person responsible for that.
That you would bring up Clinton should embarrass you. Though he chose not to do the job himself, he is four square behind the Commander in Chief and backs up the facts to boot. He says so.
BTW, Clinton actively obstructed justice, subourned purjury and lied, repeatedly, under oath. You can look it up. When W does that, lemme know.
Your views on the election of 2000 truly debase us all as you represent a large number of people who simply don't know the laws of our land and couldn't care less when told what they are. You all can vote. Don't you feel any responsibility to us facts as the basis for an argument or is this all mental jerking off, it just feels good to imagine things?
I guess the administration owes you a big thanks. The typical argument has been that the White House is full of mindless robots.
I find this fascinating. How could you possibly agree that it was the right thing to do and yet disparage every good reason to do it? Why was it a good idea if they posed no threat? Nevermind you are dismissing the facts as the UN, Clinton, Germany, Russia and France all saw them. Are you running for President to?
Alas. Once again, Clinton and all the UN goofs passed resolution to enforce restictions on Iraq, then more resolutions supporting exactly what we have done. The problems started when somebody took them seriously. Ten years just seemed to be enough time for Saddam to do as he promised if he had any intentions of doing so.
I never mentioned "us" so, you are just goofing around. The "you" is this phenomenon of defianable Dean types who hate Bush, no matter what, as a reaction from the abuse and deciet and betrayal of eight empty years of Clinton. Had Clinton done the same thing, the right thing, get rid of Hussein, Gore would be boss today and it irks you people. Sorry. It ain't my fault. Why don't you take it out on the ones who hurt you?
There is no "us" from my viewpoint. Given the empty arguments of the left, Bush is doing just fine. From MY viewpoint the entire middle East peace dream is a pipe dream. There are to many monstrous hurdles to overcome. The day there is peace in the region is the day the masses throw off the yoke their faith (opiate of the masses, yes?) seems to be imposing, overthrow their Shieks and Kings and start figuring out how to get some serious golf going on.
In the mean time, I am happy scaring the crap out of every single dip dunk wanna be in the world through the clenched fist of the United States military. Make it to expensive for them, all of them, in blood and treasure to attack us.
You and I both know, no matter our differences, that we could rule every inch of this planet if we chose to. We choose not to and we are the first nation in the history of mankind that has the power to do so and chooses not to.
We are the good guys.
Excuse me, but the topic was sexual harrassment. Remember? Paula Jones? Weenie wiggling? "Kiss it"? The only reason Monica Lewinsky was even brought into it was to establish a history of sexual predation to bolster the Jones lawsuit. THAT'S when the perjury and obstruction started.
I REALLY get friggin' tired of this revisionist history.