Is there a gun range around here?

ironintestines

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exactly why buy a 12 guage shot gun when yuu could have a fully automatic shotgun.

But if you can't get one of those a semi auto shotgun will do the trick and you can get them at Walmart.
Home defense, for the money, walmart is the ticket..
If used, it will be confiscated & the likelihood of you getting it back, whether you are right or wrong, is hopeful wishing..

Who in their right mind would jeopardize a class3, DD, Title 2, ect piece for home defense??

Like I said, vivid imaginations are running rampant..
 

ironintestines

Non-Premo
exactly why buy a 12 guage shot gun when yuu could have a fully automatic shotgun.

But if you can't get one of those a semi auto shotgun will do the trick and you can get them at Walmart.
To show your relationship w/ reality & imaginations--

Street sweepers are not fully automatic..
 

ironintestines

Non-Premo
Street sweepers like the Striker are semi auto and are not subject to the 1986 FOPA. They are fully transferrable if manufactured and imported before the ATF classified them as destructive devices (in the 90s I think) and were properly registered.
Also if one has the means, one could manufacture a copy of a Striker if they pay the proper tax and they can also transfer to someone else at a later date.


My understanding of dd's is the same basic rules for transferable pre-86 mg's, smg's-- class3 flavored items, apply??

Can be confusing between all the classifications of how it's registered & who/how the applicant is registered..
 

Novus Collectus

New Member
Home defense, for the money, walmart is the ticket..
If used, it will be confiscated & the likelihood of you getting it back, whether you are right or wrong, is hopeful wishing..

Who in their right mind would jeopardize a class3, DD, Title 2, ect piece for home defense??

Like I said, vivid imaginations are running rampant..
Because a title II firearm can be as cheap as a regular home defense gun. For instance a sawed off shotgun can be made by the owner for less than four hundred dollars after fed tax and firearm cost included, and a brand new manufacture AOW short barreled shotgun can be had for well less than $800 with tax, fee and shipping included.
If the home defense is legit, then the weapon has to either be returned or there has to be compensation.

Now if we are talking about a full auto $30,000 1927 Tommy gun, then I would totally agree.
 
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Novus Collectus

New Member
My understanding of dd's is the same basic rules for transferable pre-86 mg's, smg's-- class3 flavored items, apply??

Can be confusing between all the classifications of how it's registered & who/how the applicant is registered..
If it is a full auto device it cannot be privately owned if manufactured and/or registered after 1/1/1986.

If the firearm is of ANY other type, then it is not subject to the 1986 FOPA restriction on full auto.
If it is not a full auto firearm, then it does not matter when it is manufactured!

A new manufacture, or a device you manufacture yourself today that is a destructive device can be registered if legal in your state of residence and in MD the only destructive device not allowed is explosive destructive device.
You can make your own grenade launcher today with the proper tax paid and privately own it, but you cannot make or possess an explosive grenade (inert or smoke grenades launched in said destructive device are allowed though).
 

Go G-Men

New Member
And by around here I mean Lex. Park. And what is the best gun for home protection,ie. something that is easy to handle,small - can be locked away from the kids,and still make sure whatever broke in won't walk out.:duel:
I don't know where JPC lives but you have my permission to use his yard as said gun range... An accident could happen.. Which would be terrible...:sarcasm:
 

Marie

New Member
Small and easy to handle are actually opposites. The smaller it is the harder it is to shoot (more recoil).

I've done quite a bit of research on this subject and have decided on a 357 magnum revolver.
I have a barretta 380 F its a 9mm short, and its great for concelment but I always go for bigger guns at the range. The Barretta 9M or 9P is a sweet gun just point and shoot, little aiming required. Glocks are sweet because of their safety design. A glock 17mm or 20mm is a nice gun but there dirty if you shoot them for an lenght of time due to powder residue.
A 38 revolver, not a snub nose is a nice gun for a beginer.

I'd stay away from the Desert Eagles & the LAR Grizzly the noise will rattle you its a beast. If you need a cannon the 44 mag is less ratteling.
 
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AK-74me

"Typical White Person"
True I have a barretta 380F a 9mm short and its great for concelment but I always go for bigger guns at the range. The Barretta 9M or 9P is a sweet gun point and shoot little aiming required. Glocks are sweet because of their safety design. A glock 17mm or 20mm is a nice gun but there dirty if you shoot them for an lenght of time due to residue.
A 38 revolver, not a snub nose is a nice gun for a beginer.

I stay away from the Desert Eagles & the LAR Grizzly
I never had this problem but the noise will rattle you its a beast. If you neeed a cannon the 44 mag is less ratteling. Smith & Wessons Never!



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With all due respect, WHAT?
 

AK-74me

"Typical White Person"
Videos wouldnt embed or it would have made sense!
Yes, but besides the vids.... I have no idea what anything in that first paragragh even means. Glocks get dirtier because of residue? 17mm and 20mm?? ect...??
 

Marie

New Member
Yes, but besides the vids.... I have no idea what anything in that first paragragh even means. Glocks get dirtier because of residue? 17mm and 20mm?? ect...??
Glocks get gun powder resude all over your hands when shooting them for any amount of time. More so than any other gun I have ever fired.
They range in sizes 17mm, and 22mm are favorites I like to shoot see The Glock FAQ [Glock Model Info]
 

AK-74me

"Typical White Person"
Glocks get gun powder resude all over your hands when shooting them for any amount of time. More so than any other gun I have ever fired.
They range in sizes 17mm, and 22mm are favorites I like to shoot see The Glock FAQ [Glock Model Info]

I take it you are refering to the G17 and the G22 which are 9mm and .40 cal respectively? These are also probably two of the most common Glock models used for police work worldwide.

I have shot lots of different handguns and haven't noticed Glocks creating any more powder residue on my hands than any other gun fired with the same ammo??
 

Tomahawk202

It'll make ya feel good..
Glocks get gun powder resude all over your hands when shooting them for any amount of time. More so than any other gun I have ever fired.
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Fact: ANY weapon you fire will create carbon and produce cordite.
Fact: The more you FIRE a weapon, the more these elements will be produced.
Fact: The more carbon and cordite produced, the more the weapon will be hindered to fire reliably.

Myth: Glocks produce more carbon and/or cordite than any other weapon of similar size and or caliber.

Conclusion: Clean your weapons, they will fire better, and who cares how much crap they " Produce " ? :coffee:
 

ironintestines

Non-Premo
Because a title II firearm can be as cheap as a regular home defense gun. For instance a sawed off shotgun can be made by the owner for less than four hundred dollars after fed tax and firearm cost included, and a brand new manufacture AOW short barreled shotgun can be had for well less than $800 with tax, fee and shipping included.
If the home defense is legit, then the weapon has to either be returned or there has to be compensation.

Now if we are talking about a full auto $30,000 1927 Tommy gun, then I would totally agree.
AOW is a classification that I am not educated about. I know it stands for "any other weapon", but the ins & outs of the classification--??

I still feel the best choice for simple home defense is a weapon that can be forfeited w/ minimum impact. I'd hate to go thru all the paperwork, taxes stamps, prints, photos, ect, for a thunder-maker to ultimately have to beg for it back or get compensated years later. There could never be enough compensation for my time..

Is the tax less than 200 for an AOW??
 

ironintestines

Non-Premo
If it is a full auto device it cannot be privately owned if manufactured and/or registered after 1/1/1986.

If the firearm is of ANY other type, then it is not subject to the 1986 FOPA restriction on full auto.
If it is not a full auto firearm, then it does not matter when it is manufactured!

A new manufacture, or a device you manufacture yourself today that is a destructive device can be registered if legal in your state of residence and in MD the only destructive device not allowed is explosive destructive device.
You can make your own grenade launcher today with the proper tax paid and privately own it, but you cannot make or possess an explosive grenade (inert or smoke grenades launched in said destructive device are allowed though).
I'm obviously hung up on the pre-86 definition.

AOW & DD, to me, is the next level up from class 3.

I see now I'm wrong
 

Novus Collectus

New Member
Fact: ANY weapon you fire will create carbon and produce cordite.
Fact: The more you FIRE a weapon, the more these elements will be produced.
Fact: The more carbon and cordite produced, the more the weapon will be hindered to fire reliably.

Myth: Glocks produce more carbon and/or cordite than any other weapon of similar size and or caliber.

Conclusion: Clean your weapons, they will fire better, and who cares how much crap they " Produce " ? :coffee:
Cordite is a propellant and is a double based or triple based smokeless powder made out mostly Nitrogylcerine and nitrocellulose. It is not a residue left after firing, it is gunpowder.
 

Novus Collectus

New Member
AOW is a classification that I am not educated about. I know it stands for "any other weapon", but the ins & outs of the classification--??

I still feel the best choice for simple home defense is a weapon that can be forfeited w/ minimum impact. I'd hate to go thru all the paperwork, taxes stamps, prints, photos, ect, for a thunder-maker to ultimately have to beg for it back or get compensated years later. There could never be enough compensation for my time..

Is the tax less than 200 for an AOW??
The tax stamp to make an AOW is $200, but to transfer it is only a $5 tax stamp.
If a manufacturer of special FFL makes it tax free (they are exempt because they paid all the tax when they got their license), then there is no $200 manufacturing tax added to the cost.

You can make one yourself for material cost plus $200 tax for maybe $500 or $600, or you can just by one of these that are professionally made for $705 plus $5 tax stamp. http://serbu.com/top/superShorty.php
 

Tomahawk202

It'll make ya feel good..
Cordite is a propellant and is a double based or triple based smokeless powder made out mostly Nitrogylcerine and nitrocellulose. It is not a residue left after firing, it is gunpowder.
Gee, well now that you have had time to research what cordite is on the internet, and effectively explain it to all of us who lack the apparent " knowledge" you seem to falsely possess, is there anything else you would like to explain to us, oh wise one?

Cordite ( in the text to which I am referring ) IS a propellant. But if you have fired rounds like I have in an enclosed space ( I.E. home defense ) then you will understand that as the cordite burns, it produces CARBON and noxious fumes. ( we in the shooter community refer to that smell as CORDITE. It is associated with carbon build up and the undying need to clean your weapons)

Seems like you like to try to portray your " intelligence" by constantly taking words and phrases out of context. Do yourself a favor, take it somewhere else. :coffee:
 

AK-74me

"Typical White Person"
Gee, well now that you have had time to research what cordite is on the internet, and effectively explain it to all of us who lack the apparent " knowledge" you seem to falsely possess, is there anything else you would like to explain to us, oh wise one?

Cordite ( in the text to which I am referring ) IS a propellant. But if you have fired rounds like I have in an enclosed space ( I.E. home defense ) then you will understand that as the cordite burns, it produces CARBON and noxious fumes. ( we in the shooter community refer to that smell as CORDITE. It is associated with carbon build up and the undying need to clean your weapons)

Seems like you like to try to portray your " intelligence" by constantly taking words and phrases out of context. Do yourself a favor, take it somewhere else. :coffee:
Not to get in between you two, but I know Novus is active on few MD gun boards fighting for the RTKBA.

Just sayin.......
 
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