seekeroftruth
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Isaiah 4 1 In that day seven women
will take hold of one man
and say, “We will eat our own food
and provide our own clothes;
only let us be called by your name.
Take away our disgrace!”
2 In that day the Branch of the Lord will be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the land will be the pride and glory of the survivors in Israel. 3 Those who are left in Zion, who remain in Jerusalem, will be called holy, all who are recorded among the living in Jerusalem. 4 The Lord will wash away the filth of the women of Zion;he will cleanse the bloodstains from Jerusalem by a spirit[a] of judgment and a spirit[b] of fire. 5 Then the Lord will create over all of Mount Zion and over those who assemble there a cloud of smoke by day and a glow of flaming fire by night;over everything the glory[c] will be a canopy. 6 It will be a shelter and shade from the heat of the day, and a refuge and hiding place from the storm and rain.
a. Isaiah 4:4 Or the Spirit
b. Isaiah 4:4 Or the Spirit
c. Isaiah 4:5 Or over all the glory there
This is from enduringword.com.
This commentary came from the easy English site.
I turned 15 in October 1965....that's the year they started sending combat troops to Vietnam...no just "advisers" ..... In 1968 I was in the 12th grade. There was a horrible cloud hanging over the high schools in that day. Boys were being drug off to war right after high school. Burning a draft card could get a guy a 5 year prison term and a $1,000 fine.... but they did it anyway. So let me say this.... IMHO.... I know what it's like to live in a time when there aren't enough good men to go around. Those who did return.... were messed up in the head. PTSD wasn't diagnosed back then. In May 1968 I got an engagement ring at senior prom and the peace talks started in Paris ..... but it was too late for a lot of the kids I knew. I went to my senior prom with a two time Vet. He was tall and handsome. He was seriously messed up in the head..... he chased "gooks" with his "jeep"..... while we were on a date.... almost slammed us into a bridge. He went back to Vietnam in 1969.
So..... I think I understand the lack of good men. When I graduated from high school.... it was ok for a woman to go to work. I went to work at NSA right out of high school. The women back in Isaiah's day didn't work outside of the home. They raised children... they took care of the house.... they were women with no rights. Back then.... women were possessions. Without men.... their lives were in a total upheaval.
Back in Isaiah 3:24 it talks about what the women endured before being taken into captivity.
The women left behind by the Assyrians [Babylonians] were poor. The Assyrians didn't force march the poor.... they left them to glean from the land.... you've seen the pictures of the rubble they were left with. Even the Temple was destroyed. The women who were captured were stripped naked and force marched from Jerusalem to Babylon where they became slaves.
Jewish women married Jewish men. That's the way it was... that's the way it had to continue.... but what do you do when the number of men is devastated? You marry what's left.....
The men were castrated by the Babylonians..... A number of the men who were spared.... and taken to Babylon were dickless. What good is a dickless man to a woman who needs a family to show her value.
I'm sure quite a few of these women were pregnant as well.... I'm sure quite a few of these women were raped.... spoils of war..... and being an unwed mother was not acceptable in the days of Isaiah...... any man will do when you need a name for your baby in a time when unwed mothers were worthless.... There were laws..... Deuteronomy 22:13-30..... and those laws were important.
I have never lived in a country that was devastated by war. The Vietnam War happened across the globe from me.... and still it affected me. The women in Isaiah's time.... they saw their homes obliterated..... their husbands were murdered or castrated [dickless] or enslaved. Their lives were shattered. I cannot fully wrap my head around what they were going through.... but I can understand they were desperate.
And.... why did the Babylonians raid Israel????? Because God had had enough. The "kings" were running the church..... they weren't making sacrifices to God anymore.... they were too busy making their own shiny little idols to worship.... they were killing their babies on a glowing hot metal idol and singing while the babies screamed.....
When Isaiah was preaching.... life was horrible and he was there to tell them it was going to get worse.... and they didn't listen.... they were disgraced.
will take hold of one man
and say, “We will eat our own food
and provide our own clothes;
only let us be called by your name.
Take away our disgrace!”
2 In that day the Branch of the Lord will be beautiful and glorious, and the fruit of the land will be the pride and glory of the survivors in Israel. 3 Those who are left in Zion, who remain in Jerusalem, will be called holy, all who are recorded among the living in Jerusalem. 4 The Lord will wash away the filth of the women of Zion;he will cleanse the bloodstains from Jerusalem by a spirit[a] of judgment and a spirit[b] of fire. 5 Then the Lord will create over all of Mount Zion and over those who assemble there a cloud of smoke by day and a glow of flaming fire by night;over everything the glory[c] will be a canopy. 6 It will be a shelter and shade from the heat of the day, and a refuge and hiding place from the storm and rain.
a. Isaiah 4:4 Or the Spirit
b. Isaiah 4:4 Or the Spirit
c. Isaiah 4:5 Or over all the glory there
This is from enduringword.com.
And in that day: As a result of the judgments of the LORD detailed in Isaiah 3:16-26, the daughters of Zion will have few men to choose from as husbands.
Seven women shall take hold of one man: So many men shall fall by the sword (Isaiah 3:25), that seven women would chase after one man. They would be so desperate for marriage that will not expect their husbands to provide for them at all (We will eat our own food and wear our own apparel).
Only let us be called by your name: Instead, it would be enough to simply take the name of a husband, so that it would take away the reproach of being unmarried and childless.
In a broader sense, this shows that it is not good for women to be too desperate for marriage. They may marry unwisely, and for the wrong reasons. It is also bad when women do not expect their husbands to provide for the household.
Shall be called holy: in the days of the sinful daughters of Zion, they were called beautiful, they were called delicate, they were called attractive, they were called fashionable, and they were called sexy. But they were not called holy.
This commentary came from the easy English site.
Marriage is an important foundation for human society. People in those days considered that it was a disgrace (shame) for a woman not to have family relations.
God’s judgement will remove people who have been living wicked lives (see Isaiah 3:1-3). Now, instead of judgement and death, God will cause many beautiful plants to grow. They will astonish the few inhabitants that remain.
The cloud and fire that God creates will remind people of his protection in the days of Moses (see Exodus 13:21-22).
I turned 15 in October 1965....that's the year they started sending combat troops to Vietnam...no just "advisers" ..... In 1968 I was in the 12th grade. There was a horrible cloud hanging over the high schools in that day. Boys were being drug off to war right after high school. Burning a draft card could get a guy a 5 year prison term and a $1,000 fine.... but they did it anyway. So let me say this.... IMHO.... I know what it's like to live in a time when there aren't enough good men to go around. Those who did return.... were messed up in the head. PTSD wasn't diagnosed back then. In May 1968 I got an engagement ring at senior prom and the peace talks started in Paris ..... but it was too late for a lot of the kids I knew. I went to my senior prom with a two time Vet. He was tall and handsome. He was seriously messed up in the head..... he chased "gooks" with his "jeep"..... while we were on a date.... almost slammed us into a bridge. He went back to Vietnam in 1969.
So..... I think I understand the lack of good men. When I graduated from high school.... it was ok for a woman to go to work. I went to work at NSA right out of high school. The women back in Isaiah's day didn't work outside of the home. They raised children... they took care of the house.... they were women with no rights. Back then.... women were possessions. Without men.... their lives were in a total upheaval.
Back in Isaiah 3:24 it talks about what the women endured before being taken into captivity.
Isaiah 3:24 Instead of fragrance there will be a stench;
instead of a sash, a rope;
instead of well-dressed hair, baldness;
instead of fine clothing, sackcloth;
instead of beauty, branding.
The women left behind by the Assyrians [Babylonians] were poor. The Assyrians didn't force march the poor.... they left them to glean from the land.... you've seen the pictures of the rubble they were left with. Even the Temple was destroyed. The women who were captured were stripped naked and force marched from Jerusalem to Babylon where they became slaves.
Jewish women married Jewish men. That's the way it was... that's the way it had to continue.... but what do you do when the number of men is devastated? You marry what's left.....
The men were castrated by the Babylonians..... A number of the men who were spared.... and taken to Babylon were dickless. What good is a dickless man to a woman who needs a family to show her value.
I'm sure quite a few of these women were pregnant as well.... I'm sure quite a few of these women were raped.... spoils of war..... and being an unwed mother was not acceptable in the days of Isaiah...... any man will do when you need a name for your baby in a time when unwed mothers were worthless.... There were laws..... Deuteronomy 22:13-30..... and those laws were important.
I have never lived in a country that was devastated by war. The Vietnam War happened across the globe from me.... and still it affected me. The women in Isaiah's time.... they saw their homes obliterated..... their husbands were murdered or castrated [dickless] or enslaved. Their lives were shattered. I cannot fully wrap my head around what they were going through.... but I can understand they were desperate.
And.... why did the Babylonians raid Israel????? Because God had had enough. The "kings" were running the church..... they weren't making sacrifices to God anymore.... they were too busy making their own shiny little idols to worship.... they were killing their babies on a glowing hot metal idol and singing while the babies screamed.....
When Isaiah was preaching.... life was horrible and he was there to tell them it was going to get worse.... and they didn't listen.... they were disgraced.
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