Isaiah 9 A child is born

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Isaiah 9:1 [a]Nevertheless, there will be no more gloom for those who were in distress. In the past he humbled the land of Zebulun and the land of Naphtali, but in the future he will honor Galilee of the nations, by the Way of the Sea, beyond the Jordan—
2 The people walking in darkness
have seen a great light;
on those living in the land of deep darkness
a light has dawned.
3 You have enlarged the nation
and increased their joy;
they rejoice before you
as people rejoice at the harvest,
as warriors rejoice
when dividing the plunder.
4 For as in the day of Midian’s defeat,
you have shattered
the yoke that burdens them,
the bar across their shoulders,
the rod of their oppressor.
5 Every warrior’s boot used in battle
and every garment rolled in blood
will be destined for burning,
will be fuel for the fire.
6 For to us a child is born,
to us a son is given,
and the government will be on his shoulders.
And he will be called
Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

7 Of the greatness of his government and peace
there will be no end.
He will reign on David’s throne
and over his kingdom,
establishing and upholding it
with justice and righteousness
from that time on and forever.
The zeal of the Lord Almighty
will accomplish this.
8 The Lord has sent a message against Jacob;
it will fall on Israel.
9 All the people will know it—
Ephraim and the inhabitants of Samaria—
who say with pride
and arrogance of heart,
10 “The bricks have fallen down,
but we will rebuild with dressed stone;
the fig trees have been felled,
but we will replace them with cedars.”
11 But the Lord has strengthened Rezin’s foes against them
and has spurred their enemies on.
12 Arameans from the east and Philistines from the west
have devoured Israel with open mouth.
Yet for all this, his anger is not turned away,
his hand is still upraised.
13 But the people have not returned to him who struck them,
nor have they sought the Lord Almighty.
14 So the Lord will cut off from Israel both head and tail,
both palm branch and reed in a single day;
15 the elders and dignitaries are the head,
the prophets who teach lies are the tail.
16 Those who guide this people mislead them,
and those who are guided are led astray.
17 Therefore the Lord will take no pleasure in the young men,
nor will he pity the fatherless and widows,
for everyone is ungodly and wicked,
every mouth speaks folly.
Yet for all this, his anger is not turned away,
his hand is still upraised.
18 Surely wickedness burns like a fire;
it consumes briers and thorns,
it sets the forest thickets ablaze,
so that it rolls upward in a column of smoke.
19 By the wrath of the Lord Almighty
the land will be scorched
and the people will be fuel for the fire;
they will not spare one another.
20 On the right they will devour,
but still be hungry;
on the left they will eat,
but not be satisfied.
Each will feed on the flesh of their own offspring[b]:
21 Manasseh will feed on Ephraim, and Ephraim on Manasseh;
together they will turn against Judah.
Yet for all this, his anger is not turned away,
his hand is still upraised.

a. Isaiah 9:1 In Hebrew texts 9:1 is numbered 8:23, and 9:2-21 is numbered 9:1-20.
b. Isaiah 9:20 Or arm

This is from the got questions site.

In ancient times, the “father of the nation” was viewed in much the same way as the father of a family. It was the father who was to protect and provide for his children. In the same way, this Child to be born will become a king who will be a father to the children of Israel—He will protect and provide for them. And His role as protector and provider will not be limited by aging or death. His role as father (protector and provider) will continue in perpetuity. Just how this will come about is not revealed in Isaiah’s prophecy. The full identity of the Messiah—that He is God in the flesh, the second Person of the Trinity who would protect and provide for His people by His death and resurrection on their behalf; and that Gentiles could also be grafted into the family of Israel—may be hinted at in Isaiah, but God’s people would have to wait almost 700 years to see the Messiah revealed in the “fullness of time” (see Galatians 4:4).​
This is from the easy English site.

Zebulun and Naphtali were two of the 12 tribes of Israel. The territory of Zebulun was west of the Sea of Galilee (see Joshua 19:10-16). The territory of Naphtali was north of Zebulun (see Joshua 19:32-39). These two areas were the first to fall when the Assyrian army attacked. A vast number of the inhabitants became prisoners in Assyria.​
· The ‘foreigners along the coast’ refers to the former Zebulun. The country ‘across the river Jordan’ refers to the former Naphtali. The region north of Naphtali became international Galilee. In the very area where the Assyrians first attacked, God promises to cause a complete change of the situation. The inhabitants will have done nothing to deserve this change. It is God’s free gift.​
‘In deep darkness’ is a powerful description. It describes the feelings of people who had long been prisoners in a foreign land. They could see no possible hope ever again.
The people’s enormous relief felt as if a very heavy weight had gone from their shoulders.​
· Centuries earlier, God’s people had been slaves of another enemy called Midian, for 7 years. But then God appointed Gideon, a most unlikely hero, to free them (see Judges 7:15-25). It was such a wonderful surprise that the nation long remembered the story. Isaiah himself mentions it twice more (see 10:26 and 60:6).​
God allows Isaiah to glimpse what the arrival of the Messiah (Christ) will mean. The Messiah will be born as a child. That is, he is human.
But he is also the holy Son of God. And he will be our ruler, that is, our King. His names cover the whole of our lives:​
· as ‘Wonderful Adviser’, he is all Wisdom (see 1 Corinthians 1:30);​
· as ‘All-Powerful God’, he is all Power (see Philippians 4:13);​
· as ‘Father Always’, he is all Love (see John 14:21);​
· as ‘Commander-Who-Brings-Peace’, he is all Calm (see Philippians 4:7).​
But the present situation in Israel is not happy. The Lord is very angry because the evil behaviour of the inhabitants goes on.​
Samaria is another name for the northern part of the country. Its capital is also called Samaria.
‘He lifted his hand’ is a common expression . Its origin goes back to ancient Egypt. The words suggest a king who lifts his royal mace (heavy stick) to strike down his enemies.
Manasseh and Ephraim were the names of two sons of Joseph. Their later families formed tribes and were called by the same names.​

God gave Isaiah the plan and Isaiah is leaking it to the Bible!!!!!

This is from enduringword.com.

Unto us a Son is given: This Child would be a man, but more than a man. He is also the eternal Son of God, the Second Person of the Godhead. Theoretically, the Messiah didn’t have to be God. He might have been a sinless angel, or merely a perfect man like Adam. But in reality, neither of those options would have qualified the Messiah to be our Saviour and High Priest as Jesus was. The Son had to be given.
The LORD sent a word against Jacob, and it has fallen on Israel: The idea is that the LORD brought a word against all His people (against Jacob) and the word has scored a “direct hit” against the Northern Kingdom of Israel.​
Ephraim and the inhabitant of Samaria: The tribe of Ephraim was the largest and most influential tribe in the Northern Kingdom of Israel. So, often the LORD refers to the Kingdom of Israel by the name Ephraim. Samaria was the capital of the Northern Kingdom of Israel. There isn’t any doubt whom this prophecy is directed to.​

Therefore the LORD shall set up the adversaries: Because they believed they would be able to weather the storm of attack and then rebuild, God would send successive waves of enemies against Israel (The Syrians before and the Philistines behind). The destruction of Israel would be complete, and their proud promise to rebuild would be unfulfilled.
For all this, His anger is not turned away, but His hand is stretched out still: For the first time, the chorus is said. The judgment against Israel’s pride was not enough. There was still sin to judge, and God wasn’t ready to stop His work of judgment.

Therefore the LORD will cut off the head and tail from Israel: Those who lead in Israel (the elder and honorable… the prophet who teaches lies… the leaders of this people) will be cut off, which often means to be killed.​
No man shall spare his brother: In gruesome detail, the prophet speaks of the carnage that one Israelite will inflict on another. The wildfire of God’s judgment burns, but God merely let the evil, hateful passions of men burn wild among themselves. God did not need to start the fire or fan the flames; He simply took away the “fire retardant” that had held the evil, hate-filled passions of men in check.
What will you do in the day of punishment… To whom will you flee for help: The idea is, “When you have forsaken others in their time of need, who will you go to for help when you are in need?”​
Without Me they shall bow down among the prisoners, and they shall fall among the slain: All God needs to do to bring extreme judgment on Israel is to withdraw His protection. The LORD declared that “Without Me you have no hope before your enemies.”​
The original plan was that God Himself would enjoy the company of humans in the garden on planet Earth. But man got big headed..... and stupid. Man looked around at the other Nations and saw that they all had kings. So these humans wanted to be like everyone else..... so man got big headed and stupid. Man wanted a king.... so God gave them Saul.... that didn't work out well.... because Saul got big headed and stupid. Then God have them David as a king.... David loved God.... He was indeed a stupid human [ask Bathsheba] but he loved God.... and God promised that David's family would stay on the throne..... but David's family went wonky and Ahaze not only sacrificed his own baby to a fake god.... but he moved God's stuff out of God's Temple so he could worship a fake god. So Ahaze showed how big headed and stupid humans had become.... No one asked God to intervene when Ahaze gutted the Temple...... so God allowed them to be taken into captivity for 70 years.

Isaiah leaked out some hope though..... a great king.... a King of Kings.... one that all the other kings will bow to..... a great king is coming and when He takes the throne.... it will be forever....

But humans don't live forever.... how can one guy be on a throne forever???? The guy is born human. He's the Son of God. He's coming once to conquer death and then once that is accomplished.... He will reign forever!

So.... it's a child that will save us all.... fancy that....

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