It’s Not ‘Minority Rule,’ It’s The Point

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
One of the more popular grievances from the contemporary left revolves around the notion that our nation has been subverted by “minority rule.”

Here is the pollster Nate Silver:


“Despite the various, very serious threats to American democracy, things would *mostly* be fine if the balance of elected power more closely reflected the popular will (e.g. Senate seats proportional to population, no Electoral College, less gerrymandering).”


Silver is confusing the inability to coerce others with minoritarianism. It is not a serious threat to American democracy that New Yorkers are unable to dictate Oklahoma’s abortion laws. Nor that Texans can’t compel Rhode Islanders to adopt their gun laws. It’s the point.

Elites like to mock the proles when they point out that we don’t live in a democracy. But the system Silver believes problematic tempers divisions. It is the core idea of American governance. If the United States is more divided than it ever has been in modern times, as a New York Times reporter recently claimed, we have even less reason to dispense with the mechanisms and institutions that diffuse power and constrain one side of the divide from lording over the other.

The anti-constitutionalist’s argument usually has two strands that (illogically) intersect. The first is to assert that the Constitution is a work of slave-owning white men who used antiquated and counterproductive ideas that undermine modernity and “democracy.” The second is to argue that we have absolutely no idea what the founders intended, anyway.

When conservative-turned-progressive Max Boot — the gulf between technocrat interventionist and Constitution-averse leftist isn’t as wide as you imagine — says that “American democracy is broken,” his plan to fix it is to effectively dispense with states. “The Founders,” notes Boot, “never envisioned such an imbalance between power and population. It undermines any pretense that we are still a democracy.”

Boot’s contention only makes sense if a person is ignorant of the founding bargain between states. As many people have already pointed out, the first American census in 1790 found that Virginia, then the most populous state, was home to around 20 percent of the population. Today, California, our largest state, makes up around 12 percent of the nation’s population. No one complained about the disparity of the Senate in 1790 — or, as far as I know, 1890 or 1990, for that matter — because the “imbalance” was literally codified in the founding document (which, incidentally, mentions “democracy” zero times).


 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
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Mother of GOD, these people :strangle:

Senators represent the states equally.
Representatives represent the humans proportionally.
Democracy doesn't mean majority rules, it means everyone is represented.
Also "United States". United. States. States that are united.

This is simple stuff that any 7th grader can understand, and yet here's Nate Silver and the rest of the Dumbocrats.....

UGH!!! :banghead:
 

SamSpade

Well-Known Member
PREMO Member
Mother of GOD, these people :strangle:

Senators represent the states equally.
Representatives represent the humans proportionally.
AND they are chosen by the people.
The Senate thing surprises me because Nate Silver has been around a while - but lefties HATE representative government - or the court - or anything else if they don't get what they want.

You know, it's a funny thing that when they vote in the U.N. or in the Security Council, their votes aren't made proportional to their populations. Can you imagine China making all of the world's decisions, because they have more people?

THAT IS THE POINT of a Senate - where a State votes. So that new York or California don't impose their will on Delaware or Wyoming. Because people and states DO that - try to get the best deal for themselves.
 

SamSpade

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PREMO Member
The other thing I don't get - is the presumption that democracy ALSO means a vote in the Senate - or in many other instances - is only democratic if 50% plus 1 wins. Well it ain't that way with removal from office - it's not that way with ratifiying an amendment. Heck, juries are 100%.

It IS STILL CHOSEN by the people. THAT makes it democracy. But a higher bar is set for choosing, so that there is a real chance of agreement.

If you "win" on an issue with 50.01% of the vote - the 49.99% is NOT going to be satisfied. On big issues - you really need more people on board.

Right now - if the Democrats were able to put their issues before a public vote - they lose them - or if they do - narrowly. They can't sell their ideas. Hence, executive action, use the courts, use agencies, hell just use plain old force -

And I think they KNOW this. They KNOW that it doesn't sell, so they go about by other means.
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
PREMO Member
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I think this country is too ****ing stupid to survive. Every time I go on Twitter or when one of our resident progbot dipshits posts, I think our days are numbered.
 

LightRoasted

If I may ...
For your consideration ...

Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. “Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote!”

We are a Constitutional Representative Republic, where the majority rules while protecting the rights of the people. In a democracy, based on minority views, the rights of the people can be voted away, restricted, licenced, run roughshod over.
 

Monello

Smarter than the average bear
PREMO Member
Senators represent the states equally.
Representatives represent the humans proportionally.
Progressives mean something different when using the above bolded words. It's almost like they require an asterisk on them when they use those words.

Tolerance, unity, inclusion, male, female, fair(ness), justice plus a host of other everyday words are not used by the left like the rest of the population.
 
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