JAG officer resigns over bush torture

[forestal]

Yep, we've become everything we said our worst enemies were doing...

LETTERS TO THE EDITOR — DEC. 26, 2007

It was with sadness that I signed my name this grey morning to a letter resigning my commission in the U.S. Navy.
There was a time when I served with pride, knowing that by serving with the finest men and women in the country, we were part of an organization whose core values required us to “do the right thing,” and that we were far different from the Soviet Union and its gulags, the Vietcong with their torture camps and a society of surveillance and informers like Nazi Germany.
We were part of the shining light on the hill who didn’t do those things. Sadly, no more.

Thank you, General Hartmann, for finally admitting the United States is now part of a long tradition of torturers going back to the Inquisition.
In the middle ages, the Inquisition called waterboarding “toca” and used it with great success. In colonial times, it was used by the Dutch East India Company during the Amboyna Massacre of 1623.
Waterboarding was used by the Nazi Gestapo and the feared Japanese Kempeitai. In World War II, our grandfathers had the wisdom to convict Japanese Officer Yukio Asano of waterboarding and other torture practices in 1947, giving him 15 years hard labor.
Waterboarding was practiced by the Khmer Rouge at the infamous Tuol Sleng prison. Most recently, the U.S. Army court martialed a soldier for the practice in 1968 during the Vietnam conflict.

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[This_person]

Yep, we've become everything we said our worst enemies were doing...

We started bombing embassies, intentionally killing innocent civilians, beheading people and sending the video of it to the internet, setting up rape rooms, bombing ships ......

Oh, wait. I read it. We dunked somebody in the pool.


Yep, we're horrible people.



BTW, can you find where waterboarding is defined as torture in the Geneva Convention, or in the UN definitions of torture? No? I wonder why.....

 

[forestal]

But we have bombed embassies (Chinese, Yugoslavia), intentially killed innocent civilians (Iraq, Haditha) (Blackwater, pick your favorite day)...

no beheadings yet, and we erase the video of our crimes because deep down we know that eventually, some day in the not too distant future, the perpetrators will find themselves standing tall before the man in a courtroom in the Hague.

We started bombing embassies, intentionally killing innocent civilians, beheading people and sending the video of it to the internet, setting up rape rooms, bombing ships ......

Oh, wait. I read it. We dunked somebody in the pool.


Yep, we're horrible people.



BTW, can you find where waterboarding is defined as torture in the Geneva Convention, or in the UN definitions of torture? No? I wonder why.....

 

[This_person]

But we have bombed embassies, intentially killed innocenet civilians...

Where?

no beheadings yet, and we erase the video of our crimes because deep down we know that eventually, some day in the not too distant future, the perpetrators will find themselves standing tall before the man in a courtroom in the Hague.

I strongly disagree with you. I haven't seen any American leader hiding in a cave, or hole in the ground. I'm thinking we're not the ones wrong.

 

[This_person]

How do Mike Mcvay felt. ?

Could you reword this in English?

Are you asking about Timothy McVeigh?

 

[forestal]

Chinese Embassy, Yugoslavia (in the Clinton years, and I know you'll LOVE that factoid)

Of course it was an "accident", but you didn't specify..

Where?I strongly disagree with you. I haven't seen any American leader hiding in a cave, or hole in the ground. I'm thinking we're not the ones wrong.

 

[forestal]

What's the point of hiding when you're in charge of the most powerful nation on earth?

But wait until you're not in charge anymore, say when a certain woman from Arkansas takes the helm and hands your sorry a$s to the international court.

Where?I strongly disagree with you. I haven't seen any American leader hiding in a cave, or hole in the ground. I'm thinking we're not the ones wrong.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Chinese Embassy, Yugoslavia (in the Clinton years, and I know you'll LOVE that factoid)

Of course it was an "accident", but you didn't specify..

You mean a DEMOCRAT bombed an embassy?

It wasn't Bush's fault.

 

[This_person]

Chinese Embassy, Yugoslavia (in the Clinton years, and I know you'll LOVE that factoid)

Of course it was an "accident", but you didn't specify..

So, this accident is what you describe as intentionally killing innocent civilians? And, this thing done over ten years ago is what you describe as us now becoming everything we said about our worst enemies.

Um, we have enemies worse than those that accidentally do things wrong.

 

[This_person]

What's the point of hiding when you're in charge of the most powerful nation on earth?

Because we believe in law and order. If our president (current or former) were charged with war crimes, we would answer the charges.

But wait until you're not in charge anymore, say when a certain woman from Arkansas takes the helm and hands your sorry a$s to the international court.

If you're referring to Hillary, she's from Illinois first, Arkansas, and now "always a New Yorker". She can't even be honest with her history enough for her supporters to know what it is!

And, I would little doubt she would hand over Bush to anyone who asked, out of pure BDS. But, um, someone would need to charge President Bush with something. And, they would have to have facts to back it up. Neither of those things are likely.

 

[Dork]

You mean a DEMOCRAT bombed an embassy?

It wasn't Bush's fault.

Forestal is just an angry little gay man who was kicked out of the military when he came out of the closet. It's all Bush's fault! If Hillary was president he would have probably been able to stay in the military. Instead, he now has a pathetic life and probably has to work some job he hates. He can only see one side of things. YOu can't reason with him. He is on a mission. Although not a very popular president, you don't see as many people expressing their anger as much as Forestool toward Mr. Bush. Yeah, Bush hasn't been the best but how the heck can you think Hillary will be better for our country?

Forestal, go get some help! You're pathetic!

 

[bcp]

so what we have is one sorry ass JAG Officer that was looking for a reason to leave the military before he found himself in harms way, deciding that by trashing the president and the country all at once, he could step away from threat of war and blame it on someone else.

Freaking pansy ass liberals. I really think they should have their own country, except, there would be nobody to fund it since they would all be looking for the handouts.

 

[RadioPatrol]

Freaking pansy ass liberals. I really think they should have their own country, except, there would be nobody to fund it since they would all be looking for the handouts.

Just pick any European Country these days or Canada ..........

 

[ImnoMensa]

It was really stupid to video this alledged incident if indeed they did.

Its a bit like taking naked pictures of your wife.

Why? She is right there if you want to see it again:, and the picture is bound to get out or maybe in the hands of your kids ,or a friend.

Yes if they took video's it was a stupid act, just as the Abu Gharib picture taking was stupid.

Now set that aside and lets see how the word got out from a "secret agency" that they had taken these pictures. Somebody leaked. Why isnt that someone meeting with a horrible "acident" . This country's secrets leak worse than the hole in the Titanic, and with the same results. If you cant stop the leaks in the intelligence agencies of this country then close them up, they are doing more harm than good.

 

[bcp]

Just pick any European Country these days or Canada ..........

if its Canada Im going with them.
However, Canadas immigration policy has kept it rather level as far as population goes, so I dont see that as a possibility. (I looked into what it would take to move there.. cant do it)

no mexicans, and for all that land mass only 40 million people or so. country is still clean and beautiful, not to easy to say that about the majority of the overpopulated U.S anymore now is it.