Beta84
They're out to get us
Encyclopedia Britannica!
Jehovah Witness.
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JPCusick
My real name.
Repair.
The Jehovah Witness organization is just a group of people trying to serve God as they believe to be the right way.
Link here = Jehovah Witness Official website: About Jehovah's Witnesses
That Christian church group has over 7 million members worldwide.
When the JWs visit at your home, then just talk to them about religion, instead of hiding away.
Beta84
They're out to get us
The ad at the top of my screen is for Barbara Blades from Century 21 New Millennium. That doesn't seem to go along with this topic, but it should. We should discuss buying and selling houses so that way it matches for me.
Has anyone bought any real-estate lately? Anyone selling? How is the market looking?
JPCusick
My real name.
Reply.
They are not going to harm any of you.
:shrug:
I do not see why you or anyone would not view the hiding away and running away from the Jehovah Witnesses as being reprehensible and cowardly and then stop running and stop hiding.
They are not going to harm any of you.
:shrug:
Beta84
They're out to get us
Why is it not equally reprehensible for them when they run and hide away from me when I tell them I'm Atheist, Jewish, or Pagan? I've tried them all and yet they still run away like I'm going to hurt them.
But why are you changing the subject from real estate? Sheesh
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cheezgrits
Thought pirate
Jimmy,
Quit being a dumbass.
Sincerely,
The Fourm
PS. It's not "the" Wikipedia. just wikipedia. And it is not a credible source. Period. If you want to have big boy discussions, quit being lazy and go do real research.
Quit being a dumbass.
Sincerely,
The Fourm
PS. It's not "the" Wikipedia. just wikipedia. And it is not a credible source. Period. If you want to have big boy discussions, quit being lazy and go do real research.
Who is running away when one says "Thanks, but no thanks" and shuts the door?
No one, other than the JW's and people like you.
Do you invite them in for a nice hot tub session and then a massage?
baydoll
New Member
Then why did God the Father say (in the Bible, yet) :
" For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life." (John 3:16) ?
That's as clear as it gets, JPC.
And if what you say is true about everyone being God's children, then why did Jesus say the following?
"Jesus said to them, “If God were your Father, you would love me, for I came from God and I am here. I came not of my own accord, but he sent me." John 8:42
and then this right afterwards:
"You are of your father the Devil, and you want to carry out your father's desires. He was a murderer from the beginning and has not stood in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he tells a lie, he speaks from his own nature, because he is a liar and the father of liars. " (John 8:44)
and:
"among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind." (Ephesians 2:3)
and:
Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil. (1 John 3:8)
and :
"This means that it is not the children of the flesh who are the children of God, but the children of the promise are counted as offspring." Romans 9:8.
And lastly:
"By this it is evident who are the children of God, and who are the children of the devil: whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is the one who does not love his brother." 1 John 3:10
"he predestined us for adoption as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, " Ephesians 1:5
" to redeem those who were under the law, so that we might receive adoption as sons. 6 And because you are sons, God has sent the Spirit of his Son into our hearts, crying, “Abba! Father!” " Galatians 4:5–6
So obviously not everyone is a child of God. One needs to be 'adopted in' through faith in Christ Jesus as their Savior (Galatians 3:26). That's the ONLY way.
As for the rest of your post, Angels (both good and bad), Adam (Eve is never referred to as 'daughter of God' btw) are called sons of God because they were uniquely created by God by supernatural means. The rest of us are 'born of the flesh' (John 3:6) and like I said previously, are adopted into God's family ONLY through faith in Jesus Christ. No ifs ands and buts.
"Jesus told him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me." John 14:6
baydoll
New Member
lol!
baydoll
New Member
JPC you did not answer my question. 
To recap:
You previously posted that Islam and the Christian God are one and the same. I questioned that: Does Allah have a son? Your answer? We're ALL sons of God. Which is nice and all (even though totally incorrect) but does not answer my question in the least. So let's try this again, shall we?
From the Qur'an:
"Say: ‘How then can you be so bewitched?’
We have revealed to them the truth, but they are liars all.
Never has God begotten a son, nor is there any other god besides Him. Were this otherwise, each god would govern his own creation, each holding himself above the other. Exalted be God above their falsehoods! "
—Qur’an 23:91
Compared to:
" When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. 17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." Matthew 3:16,17
In conclusion, to paraphrase a profoundly insightful Sesame Street song:
"One of these things is not like the others, One of these things just doesn't belong."
To recap:
You previously posted that Islam and the Christian God are one and the same. I questioned that: Does Allah have a son? Your answer? We're ALL sons of God. Which is nice and all (even though totally incorrect) but does not answer my question in the least. So let's try this again, shall we?
From the Qur'an:
"Say: ‘How then can you be so bewitched?’
We have revealed to them the truth, but they are liars all.
Never has God begotten a son, nor is there any other god besides Him. Were this otherwise, each god would govern his own creation, each holding himself above the other. Exalted be God above their falsehoods! "
—Qur’an 23:91
Compared to:
" When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. 17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." Matthew 3:16,17
In conclusion, to paraphrase a profoundly insightful Sesame Street song:
"One of these things is not like the others, One of these things just doesn't belong."
baydoll
New Member
No the Jewish God DOES. The problem is most of the Jews did not recognize this fact and therefore rejected the Messiah and rejected that He is Son of God. Their rejection caused God to set them aside for a time. A lot of Jews DID however believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God. The Apostles most certainly did and they were all Jewish. Also, the early Church was almost made up entirely by Jews.
They understood perfectly; the others did not.
JPCusick
My real name.
Reply.
When Jesus was baptized God said "beloved Son" and the point was "beloved" while Christian harp on the word "son".
Jesus was not the only son as Jesus was the son who was BELOVED by the Father. That is what separated Jesus from the other sons and daughters who were not "the beloved" because other people were lost sinners.
What the Qur'an is referring to when it says "Never has God begotten a son" then it is rebuking the false claim of the "Trinity" that God has 3 parts including some mythical "Son" and in this the Qur'an is correct because that "Trinity" is nonsense.
If one discovers that the Qur'an is a true message from God to humanity (as I have done) then it is very logical and sensible to see that by the year 570 C.E. when the Prophet Muhammad was born the Roman Empire had fallen and Roman Christianity remained standing, so at that time God sent another of His messengers to mankind telling among other things that the "Trinity" was not true, and THEN anyone who would seek after the truth could discover the truth because God made the truth available - though severely spread out and broken into pieces.
At the famous "Last Supper" Jesus told that His body would be broken and His blood (spirit) would be spilled out, Mark 14:22-25 - and that is what Jesus told us to-know and to remember.
That really is just a matter of wrongfully mixing up the words, and mixing up the interpretation and translation too.JPC you did not answer my question.
To recap:
You previously posted that Islam and the Christian God are one and the same. I questioned that: Does Allah have a son? Your answer? We're ALL sons of God. Which is nice and all (even though totally incorrect) but does not answer my question in the least. So let's try this again, shall we?
From the Qur'an:
"Say: ‘How then can you be so bewitched?’
We have revealed to them the truth, but they are liars all.
Never has God begotten a son, nor is there any other god besides Him. Were this otherwise, each god would govern his own creation, each holding himself above the other. Exalted be God above their falsehoods! "
—Qur’an 23:91
Compared to:
" When He had been baptized, Jesus came up immediately from the water; and behold, the heavens were opened to Him, and He saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting upon Him. 17 And suddenly a voice came from heaven, saying, "This is My beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." Matthew 3:16,17
In conclusion, to paraphrase a profoundly insightful Sesame Street song:
"One of these things is not like the others, One of these things just doesn't belong."
When Jesus was baptized God said "beloved Son" and the point was "beloved" while Christian harp on the word "son".
Jesus was not the only son as Jesus was the son who was BELOVED by the Father. That is what separated Jesus from the other sons and daughters who were not "the beloved" because other people were lost sinners.
What the Qur'an is referring to when it says "Never has God begotten a son" then it is rebuking the false claim of the "Trinity" that God has 3 parts including some mythical "Son" and in this the Qur'an is correct because that "Trinity" is nonsense.
If one discovers that the Qur'an is a true message from God to humanity (as I have done) then it is very logical and sensible to see that by the year 570 C.E. when the Prophet Muhammad was born the Roman Empire had fallen and Roman Christianity remained standing, so at that time God sent another of His messengers to mankind telling among other things that the "Trinity" was not true, and THEN anyone who would seek after the truth could discover the truth because God made the truth available - though severely spread out and broken into pieces.
At the famous "Last Supper" Jesus told that His body would be broken and His blood (spirit) would be spilled out, Mark 14:22-25 - and that is what Jesus told us to-know and to remember.
cheezgrits
Thought pirate
So, JPC, you're a Muslim.
Congratulations.
Now the JW will be scared of YOU!
Congratulations.
Now the JW will be scared of YOU!
StoneThrower
New Member
JPC is a formal heretic in every sense of the word, and a son of Satan, I once called him an anti Christ, and he laughed and said he liked that.
He embraces every known heresy out there that the Christan Church has rejected.
He is an enemy of our Lord, and rejects all authority in heaven and earth. He has created a god that he can live with, that requires nothing from him, that allows for his self righteous works that he makes up as he goes along, or borrows from other religions, and wants nothing to do with the one true God or His people, while yet professing to be a Christian.
He was brain washed by Herbert W Armstrong when he became part of that cult and although he is well read and likes history, the demonic influence that effects his thinking has left him believing a mess of religions that he embraces that are all of Satan and nothing of God.
JPCusick
My real name.
Reply.
I do realize that lots if not most people are indeed afraid of other religions and of other religious beliefs, and that emotional fear does not need to be based on any sensible or logical reason.
I see myself as a part of all of humanity, in that the Muslims and the Jehovah Witnesses and everyone else are all my brothers and sisters which means for me to respect everyone and their beliefs.
Being a Muslim or Catholic or Protestant or Atheist or Satanist or Republican or being anything is just different parts of being human beings.
To divide-and-rule must be defied by uniting-and-charity.
There is no justification for me to fear or to reject anyone based on their religion, but I do object and reject the sinful wrongs of everyone.
To me it makes no sense for anyone to be afraid of anyone else based on anyone's religious beliefs.
I do realize that lots if not most people are indeed afraid of other religions and of other religious beliefs, and that emotional fear does not need to be based on any sensible or logical reason.
I see myself as a part of all of humanity, in that the Muslims and the Jehovah Witnesses and everyone else are all my brothers and sisters which means for me to respect everyone and their beliefs.
Being a Muslim or Catholic or Protestant or Atheist or Satanist or Republican or being anything is just different parts of being human beings.
To divide-and-rule must be defied by uniting-and-charity.
There is no justification for me to fear or to reject anyone based on their religion, but I do object and reject the sinful wrongs of everyone.
Let's see you stand up for your last statement when Islam has your head on the chopping block because, according to their holy book, you are the infidel and refuse to convert to their, and only theirs, way of thinking.
Or, it could be a safe bet that you would make an instant conversion, just to get along, right?
Or, it could be a safe bet that you would make an instant conversion, just to get along, right?
JPCusick
My real name.
Reply.
If myself as a white man American were now over in the war zone where our Americans are occupying or drone bombing their Country(s) then THEN they would have every right to cut off my head because we are all guilty by our association, since I (and you too) are are part of the American criminal warmongering who have invaded their lands and murder their people - so we all do share that guilt.
Plus the fact that people like your self base your hatred on your religious bigotry against their religion then that makes you as even more rightfully guilty.
In this regard you are correct to live in fear because you are guilty.
The Muslims do not threaten me or anyone unless we are over there in their business, or when we are doing things that are wrong.
If myself as a white man American were now over in the war zone where our Americans are occupying or drone bombing their Country(s) then THEN they would have every right to cut off my head because we are all guilty by our association, since I (and you too) are are part of the American criminal warmongering who have invaded their lands and murder their people - so we all do share that guilt.
Plus the fact that people like your self base your hatred on your religious bigotry against their religion then that makes you as even more rightfully guilty.
In this regard you are correct to live in fear because you are guilty.
bcp
In My Opinion
6 But we command you, brothers and sisters, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, to keep away from any brother who lives an undisciplined life and not according to the tradition they received from us. 7 For you know yourselves how you must imitate us, because we did not behave without discipline among you, 8 and we did not eat anyone’s food without paying. Instead, in toil and drudgery we worked night and day in order not to burden any of you. 9 It was not because we do not have that right, but to give ourselves as an example for you to imitate. 10 For even when we were with you, we used to give you this command: “If anyone is not willing to work, neither should he eat.” 11 For we hear that some among you are living an undisciplined life, not doing their own work but meddling in the work of others. 12 Now such people we command and urge in the Lord Jesus Christ to work quietly and so provide their own food to eat. 13 But you, brothers and sisters, do not grow weary in doing what is right. 14 But if anyone does not obey our message through this letter, take note of him and do not associate closely with him, so that he may be ashamed. 15 Yet do not regard him as an enemy, but admonish him as a brother. 16 Now may the Lord of peace himself give you peace at all times and in every way. The Lord be with you all. 17 I, Paul, write this greeting with my own hand, which is how I write in every letter. 18 The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you all (2 Thessalonians 3:6-18).1
